you will fuck the govn't someday...
JZ 说的是啥英文啊。 拖出去枪毙100回
Americans say Democrats and Republicans are the same; they're both going to fuck you.
I say, at least the Democrats whisper sweet nothings into your ear while they're doing you. They also have the courtesy to use lube and wear condoms and might even offer a reach-around.
On the other hand, you're lucky if a Republican spits on his dick before jamming it in and savaging your shitter in a methamphetamine-fueled fuck-frenzy. You can't even be certain they'll use a natural orifice and not shoot or drill a new hole into you first. But, NO HOMO, because prison rape is a nominally heteronormative phenomenon. There's nothing gay about it.
Maybe not only the government......wish you good luck!
"How many dynasties have the Chinese people allowed to replace one another throughout history?"
I thought the fake smiles were a hardwired part of the culture... hmm!
In some cases it feels worse to be an enlightened LaoWai in the PRC
"PRC.... F**K YEAH!!"
Coming again to poorly build and maintain the motherfucking public transportation infrastructure, yeah!!
Hahahaha ... Pete ... before I go on, are you 185cm and 90kg, and like to duel people to death, or stupidity?
I think it is safe to generalise it to say that most people across the world would find at least one thing or two they dont like about their home government, and also the government that they live, be it China or America, as well as any European or African countries ... so?
If these guys should love everything about China, including the government, then they might consider converting, but they wont ...
We are all here for different reason or reasons, and it is nothing new that I found everything wrong about the country and the government, but I wont hide the fact that we are here for the money, her is here for the parents as well ... but it does not mean that we (or anyone else for that matter) need to silently accept anything that's wrong, the train accident being one of them ... the Red Cross thing being another, and the list goes on ...
Pete, how can you possibly say that with a straight face after all the bullshit that's been going down around this train crash? We're talking about a government that straight-up told its reporters NOT to investigate the cause of the crash. As much as the U.S. government fucks up, it hasn't tried to pull something like that in decades.
Nice try lumping the government in with the culture and the people there, by the way. They couldn't be farther apart from each other. The Chinese people have been sickened and outraged by the way this event has played out. The government does not represent its people here - literally or figuratively.
Are you 五毛党 or what? The Ministry of Propaganda would be so proud.
I`m confused about what happen to cause this accident. What I read (or mostly hear about) is many indirect causes, mainly the blame is directed towards the government with causes like corruption and technology problems.
But for me, so short time after the incident, it`s more interesting to get a clear picture of what happen the minutes before that lead to the accident.
It would be great if someone could draw up a reconstruction of the incident in what happen seconds for seconds before the accident that cause this crash.
I am proud of being a Chinese.
What I feel bad of being a PRC citizen is:
I don't trust the foods I eat now, and I am trying to not think about it. Chicken can turn into beef by some magic chemical. The more I think, the less choice I have. I feel bad I don't even have a choice.
I am not safe everywhere: when you take subway, escalator could stop any minute; when you take elevator, it could fall down; when you take high-speed train home, it might crash and you will never see your families. You know what could be worse? Your body could be buried in the dirt and your name would not be on the victim list. So as a PRC citizen, there are no evidence of your existence.
What I feel really bad is that I am so powerless to change anything as PRC citizen.
"Here's the short-short version from what I've seen: One train power failure because of lightning. Stopped on track. Second train has some malfunction so driver is not alarmed that another train is stopped on the track. Or some safety feature that should have cut power to second train malfunctioned?"
State media says a lightning strike disabled a signal system - from what I've been able to gather, the system is designed to alert railway staff about any stopped trains or other problems.
Apparently, the lightning strike resulted in a power failure, which in turn (here's where I start speculating) caused a green light in the dispatcher's office to remain green instead of turning red - meaning that the dispatchers had no idea that there was an idle train on the tracks.
I did get most of this info from the Reuters article you previously posted. It's worth noting that no one, state media or otherwise, has actually said where the light was located - was it actually suspended over the track, in the way that you would think of a streetlight or whatever? Or was it like an "alert" light in some dude's office, off of the actual train tracks?
Here's the official state media take:
Basically, from what I've been able to piece together between state and foreign media, is that no one had any clue that there was a train stopped on the tracks other than the people who were actually on the halted train.
I guess I don't need to suggest that there ought've been a backup power system in place for both the dispatch office + the trains themselves...?
Uh, I know I don't speak for every salty expat, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say maybe we like the people, food, history, culture, and hidden enclaves of decadent nightlife. You know. The things that make China Chinese.
Moreover, my Chinese friends openly complain about the Party all the time. Only in English, of course. They can't leave. Of course, I'll stop FAR short of regarding myself as some sort of Bodhisattva who submits himself to earthly suffering so as to help the less-enlightened. I'll leave that to rosy-spectacled Pinkertons who don't realize that this is one place on earth where it's advantageous to be an outsider.
Really, who are you trying to impress by kowtowing?
Much as it pains me to say it, maybe Undermoonlight was right in his observation that the corruption of the CPC enables the worst kind of foreign influence--the kind that speaks of Wudaokou's Propaganda as a respectable nightlife establishment, and praises 15-year-old girls taking underwear cellphone self-shots in dirty mirrors as outstanding examples of femininity.
I would like to fuck goevermental's mouth everyday.
"Dando: You're the one who has lived in China for years, does not speak any Chinese and only works as an editor. That is, you revise English on documents. I, on the other hand, don't contribute anything of value to society and should probably die in a fire."
Indeed I do. That's why I'm here.
Uh-ohs! Sounds like I hit a nerve with that wisecrack about Pete being a pedo!
Granted, fluent Chinese is the minimum threshold for participation in Chinese culture, but I've never presented myself as a participant in any culture except TEH INTERBUTTS. You'll never hear me complain about fairness or propriety unless I'm taking the piss or speaking on someone else's behalf.
China treats me well and affords me the luxury of playing the role of a spectacularly indulgent spectator. It's an unequal relationship, but I try to reciprocate by speaking truth to power when feasible.
Now. Justify your existence.
Oh dang. I gotta get me one of those lids.
To be fair, Wen did say something very interesting and unprecedented during the conference. He singled out the Ministry of Railways, basically saying that they will be responsible for shouldering the blame if any negligence or corruption is found to be behind the crash.
As Amber mentioned in the other train crash thread, Chinese authorities have tended to protect their own in past incidents. The buck has already more or less been passed to the Beijing engineering company that produced the faulty signaling system, but what Wen said about the ministry is a step in the right direction, even if it's just a small one.
^It is just a matter of time. But how much time? At this rate, will China require five, ten or fifty train crashes before its government becomes truly accountable, if there even is such a thing? Speaking of historical trends...
I was just talking about that last night - the accident itself isn't really as scandalous as what happened afterward. It's too early to say whether there will be any kind of institutional changes regarding how these things are taken care of in the future, but I'm willing to bet that the government will at least be a little more careful in handling the aftermath of deadly accidents in the future, if only to save face.
@Scott- about the short version of the accident
The lightening reason is fake, the accident wouldn't happen under that situation. Because the communication signal is produced by the connection between the wheels and rail, so if the train slowed down or stopped, the signal will be sent to the control system, and even there is a power failure, the lack of signal is also a code of abnormal, and people in the scheduling room would know the situation and warn the following train.
I got another version today which was said to be the truth, but no one can verify that now, so take it with a grain of salt: the controller asked the first train to slow down to about 200kmph, but forgot to tell the following train.
Whatever version it might be, it is the result of the dereliction of duty. I like to reflect big problem from small things. I think we can break the problem of China down to tiny things in our life.
Do we treat our work seriously? I have seen many people put off today's work to tomorrow or even later, and avoid problems instead of solving them, then find all kind of excuses to convince others that we have done nothing wrong. -- from average people to the big stupid ones.
Do we stick to truth? When we talk to our boss, how many times we have to keep silence or agree with the wrong ideas? Some people choose to keep silence, some people feel condescended to talk with stupid boss, some people clap their hands and say good idea! -- From average people to the big stupid ones.
Do we fight for our right? I don't mean to fight in violence, it only hurt ourselves much deeper, but speak it out when we are unfairly treated. We usually say: let it be, suffering a loss is a blessing..., or just take revenge by cheating at work rather than take a strike.
I believe peaceful revolution is possible if we improve ourselves in these three aspect: to work with heart--by doing this we can provide our fellowman better life, don't be a stupid chengguan, don't be a doctor stealing vegetables online while working, keep eyes opening in the train scheduling room...; to stick with truth-- if everyone can do this, nothing stupid decisions can be carried out, like burying the train on the spot; to fight for our right -- I don't believe in that good and evil must at last have their reward, we can only make that happen with our own hands.
globalisation wake up our citizen, then a question about time ...
@Scott, My boys? I'm just a modest 4chanthropologist and a meme enthusiast. Besides, the Lulzsec and the Anonymous collectives suck at actual technical hacking (the kid with the Twitter feed will only be charged with money laundering or fraud).
What they do excel at is public relations and social engineering, which is incredibly ironic for an army of almost-autistic basement dwellers.
DDoS attacks and password phishing are not hacks. Anonymous is a bunch of script kiddies with a lot of time on their hands. Pitting Anon vs. the 五毛党 is a fantasy of mine, though. But if I ever suggested such a thing to Anonymous, I'd get nothing but "NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY" in return.
I read that thing about the traffic reroute awhile back. Spooky shit, but it's not like they can break encryption. But China has polluted its hinternet with its heinous shitfuckery and crippled its IT infrastructure by bottlenecking international web traffic in a limited number of Internet backbones. I haven't confirmed it, but I've heard there are only three major fiber-optic lines connecting China with the rest of the 'net.
Hacktivism, like terrorism, is all about the propaganda of the deed, although it's not exactly what anarchists would call direct action. But it's not about the physical or economic damage resulting from the attack itself, but from the catastrophic consequences of the response. 9/11 was just a spectacle to provoke the U.S., after all.
Julian Assange was just a figurehead unworthy of Anon's attention and I never considered Wikileaks itself to be very impressive in the first place. Co$ was a good target (journos have never been able to take them on because of SLAPP lawsuits), but Operation Chanology was a low point in 4chan history and is now referred to as an instance of moralfaggotry.
Anti-pedophile vigilantism--particularly the Chris Forcand arrest--was far more entertaining, especially since loli hentai was considerably more popular back then when the wapanese population was still dominant. That wasn't for moral or political reasons. Just pure lulz that happened to result in great justice.
They won't stick to the moral fights, though. That's not what Anonymous is about. "None of us is as cruel as all of us," they say. And LulzSec (and AntiSec) are devoted toward forcing security groups to stop publicly disclosing security exploits, which is in stark contrast with the traditional Anonymous value of promoting absolute freedom of information.
I have considerably less faith in these cretins than you do and they're definitely not antithetical to the Tea Party, having quite a few right-wingers in their midsts.
Mark Zuckerberg, on the other hand, hates anonymity because his money comes from selling personal data to marketers. That rivalry is more fitting, I think.
I should really be blogging this sort of commentary far away from here.
Whether you believe it or not...I BELIEVE IT.
our government works well
you need to know how hard to keep such huge populartion country peace!
and feed soooo many hungry people.
you need stand higher and think about this question.
the government`s duty not service people like us who live in big city ,
we only belong to the tiny part of chinese people.
think about the whold nation.
man... believe , our government officer are the most smart officer maybe all of the world.
indeed they are . lol
Farmers feed people. Not the government.
I'm sure that China's officials are among the smartest in the world. That's precisely the problem; smart people help themselves before they help others.
Intelligent leaders do not ensure the success of a nation; just laws and sound policy do. Clever officials do not necessarily want these things, because they want people to think that social order comes from their individual genius rather than adequately developed public institutions.
That's why constitutional democracies can change leaders like clothing. Civil servants do all the work. Political leaders just do the hiring and firing.
"Who try to change it deserve the Nobel peace prize."
I think/hope you're referring to Liu Xiaobo?
There's no shame in being Chinese. Your government has made it clear that they don't represent you - so you should keep in mind that you don't have to represent your government, either.
There was a time in America's history when we also pursued rapid development at the expense of safety. Things have changed since then, and they'll change in China too, eventually.
You guys should be proud to be Chinese! Don't let some accidents and Gov. mishaps get you down on being Chinese. China has changed much in the past and will change for the better in the future.
I Feel proud to be chinese,but feel shame for the XXX Goverment sometimes
"I feel bad being animal, esp. human being"
This is much more accurate. The things the Chinese government says and does have been duplicated by governments all over the world for centuries - purely because people are people, and people can be shitty.
Word. It's sometimes hard to observe in forums, but most of the people who complain about the Chinese government the most are just as critical of their own, if not even more so.
I guess I'm just trying to remind Chinese people that in spite of how dreadfully embarrassing this might seem for them as a people, it's really only the fault of political and social institutions. Just like Chinese people can individually distinguish between themselves and the apparatus of the State, so to can foreigners distinguish between China, the people, and China, the nation.
Events like this do not reflect the culture or spirit of a people (even the ZF's comparatively responsible reaction to the Wenchuan earthquake!)
I wouldn't manage 1.4 billion people. I'd let them manage themselves and set up their own local institutions without imposing generically monolithic "Chinese characteristics" upon everyone.
I'm a fucking anarcho-syndicalist. TMD MGMT can get F'd in the A.
Plenty of NGOs would love to help out with some of these problems. The Red Cross is normally a pretty good example of an NGO, but the Chinese one sure as shit ain't. The problem is that even successful, non-corrupt NGOs are a threat to the present order. The CPC is like parents who dislike seeing their children spoiled by the grandparents.
born to a whore n whoremaster at the same time? hahahaha we chinese are hybrid
Its a seious problem for monogamists... :)
Every country has got their problems~But the problem of all these problems is whether the people involved are allowed to solve(articulate, at least) the problems or not~We say that the US or other western countries is more advanced(politically and institutionally) than China--largely in terms of the forementioned fact~There is no social system that is perfect, but we believe that there will always be better ones~~Otherwise, what are we arguing for?~Another point I'd like to repeat is that the worship of smart people is the biggist obstacle to true democracy and the easiest way to human stupidity that has been manipulating the human race for thousands of years----religion, war, etc. all come out of it~~Mao Zedong used to be called the ultimate savior of the Chinese nation--let's not forget it......
"the worship of dumb people is the biggist obstacle to true democracy"
Sorry, you had it backwards there, for a minute. At least, that's part of the reason why the United States is in such a pickle. People like Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin are viable political candidates. This sucks.
I actually think it's kind of gone beyond the media being controlled by large corporations - I don't doubt that that continues to happen, but I mean...okay, take someone like Sarah Palin.
Tons of media outlets in the States have exposed how retarded she is - but that's actually had the effect of galvanizing her potential voter base.
I genuinely believe that there is a cult of stupid-worship in the States at this point. It is "cool" to be a moron. People who are born middle/upper-class in the United States have no excuse to be stupid - the resources are there, the information is there. You don't have to be dumb if you don't want to be. But that's the road people are choosing.
"That's why we must have checks and balances to GET RID of them when everyone realizes they're dumb"
That's not what checks and balances means. You're talking about accountability in a broad democratic sense. Checks and balances refers to the separation of powers between the three branches of the U.S. federal government.
gb2civics comparative political science
It' not that I had it backwards, but that you do not have that kind of profundity that only belongs to the persons who have certain life experience and have been doing much thinking about life and humanity~It's the worship of smart people that lead to extremist behaviors, of which, even more horribly, the "people" who have been manipulated are unware~~
It's the worship of smart people that lead to extremist behaviors
Tell me, if certain people are not smart, how can they manipulate stupid people, esp. stupid yet enthusiastic youngsters like Micheal, to worship them?~
Hahahahaha ... my fellow worshippers ... shows thyself ...
Hahahahaha ... let me let me ...
Ans: none ... because by international standard, it is not a train system ... on the other hand, by international sub-standard, none, because they are always not responsible ...
hehe fix the train brain?
Because I pay money to the government to fuck me, and I have to pretend I love being fucked.
Good thing is, me no only one.
Yup, it's not only you, I'm by ur side.
This is the world biggest fucking around movement, all members are more than 1 billion, and we all got been fucked for so long fking time!
I heard that the biggest rapist was called Mr.He Xie.
Fix theM, I will use the Bird Gun 鸟抢 to shoot the birds , and when Police come i will tell them , i am just shoot the one who shoot the birds.
@Undermoonlight, Complaining about the worship of stupid does not mean that the person complaining worships intelligent people, although it is rather clear which one is the lesser of the two evils.
Except, I suppose, for people who "have certain life experience and have been doing much thinking about life and humanity," which I guess is some sort of a low-calorie substitute for actual intelligence.
Are you kidding me , you are the !!! 111 again ? spoon kills me !
Dando Z 单独子儿:The unworthiness of some foreigners like you is that you always treat respect and politeness as some kind of "worshipping"----it's even not cultural, but personal----you don't really understand life, but you continue to act like knowing everything~You've got personality issues, my young friend~~Shallowness cannot be disguised by some seemingly sensational words like "low-calorie substitute"----try to be modest and show somen gratitude when learning from others~~
@Undermoonlight, Could it be, then, that Michael et. al. were never "worshipping" intelligence in the first place, but implying a sort of respectfulness and polite deference to institutionalized expertise?
It wouldn't be a profound insight unless it was uttered by someone who spends much of their time thinking about important stuff.
Hahahahaha ... we can try to make it happen :)
Let's not, and say we did.
@JZ: I think you mean you feel bad to be a peon. Every government fucks the people of its country. An aching rectum is a great reminder of who is really in control.
Well, I been fondled here as of late in anticipation of a gooood fuck! Same thing across the water.