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  • Pavoir Sponse
    Pavoir Sponse wrote:
    <p>Over the last 30 years it has become abundantly clear that the war on drugs has been an unmitigated failure.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Drug usage has sky-rocketed, prices have fallen, drugs are more adulterated than ever, government's waste increasing amounts of cash fighting &nbsp;the problem, and the drug cartels are even more powerful, causing more ever more crime and bloodshed.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>It is high time that nations looked into the viability of full-scale legalisation of most, if not all drugs; this should be coupled with investment in education, treatment and medical drug-prescription based programs.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The Global Commission on Drugs have just come out and said the same thing; will myopic Government's finally start paying attention? Of course not&hellip;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Radical though any changes would be, in terms of public policy, there than can be few examples of an easier tap-in&hellip;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Read the full report here:</p> <p><a href="http://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/Report">http://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/Report</a></p> <p>or a shorter article for those that can't be arsed with a full report</p> <p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/calls-to-legalise-cannabis-and-ecstasy-2292485.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/calls-to-legalise-cannabis-and-ecstasy-2292485.html</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p>
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Legalize everything. Even coke, heroin, and meth. If it's not criminal, it's not profitable.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Keith, You haven't really considered the specific economics of small-scale drug manufacturing, which is currently unfeasible because criminalization encourages the organization of large-scale cartels capable of avoiding law enforcement and protecting their investments. Legalizing everything takes not only the profit but the violence out of the drug trade.

    The raw materials for producing street drugs are actually quite inexpensive and their aggregate cost constitutes only a tiny fraction of the street price of illegal drugs. When they're fully legal, the increased opportunities for small-scale personal production will force prices down.

    After legalization, only idiots will pay current street prices for something they could easily produce in their own kitchen. It doesn't take a chemistry whiz. At least, poor ignorant Dando knows the basics. Surely you learned scholars could figure out how to cook meth, yes?

    This is why multinational pharmaceutical companies lobby to keep marijuana illegal. It's not profitable because it's not patentable. Any stupid hippy can figure out how to grow it in his back yard. It's called weed because it grows anywhere.

    I laugh when Libertarians say marijuana should be legalized and taxed; how are you going to tax someone if they're just growing a few plants for themselves?

    @Mark, I'm utterly without shame. Haven't you figured that out yet? Say something topical or say nothing at all, PLZKTHXBAI.

  • High Priest
    High Priest wrote:

    A few weeks ago, there was a wristle about drug dealing. My post, that could help me learn more about drug dealing and drug addiction was deleted without me being informed. Thanks to the mods and their friend.

    Having said that, this report seems to me misguided. Drug addiction seems to me as a disease, though I believe that it can be successfully prevented and treated,  but I fear that making drug more availabe would make  it harder to our commuties to be healthy and safe.

    Just because a drugs policy clearly doesn't work, it doesn't mean it needs fixing.

    Of course all the people who break the law by taking drugs want them de-crimialised. But the majority who do not use them do not want the law changed. Of course the better off who can afford treatment if things go wrong see no harm. But when we see the great harm they cause to the most vulnerable in society it is clear that making the trade an acceptable way of life would make matters worse not better.

  • Pavoir Sponse
    Pavoir Sponse wrote:

    High Priest’s comment,’ Just because a drugs policy clearly doesn't work, it doesn't mean it needs fixing’, strikes me as almost comically bizarre...


    I'm not convinced that profit is the key issue here, but Dando has a point, Heroin can be produced at a similar cost to granulated sugar. Why aren't the drug cartels producing sugar? Well, it is legal and they would not be able to make Billions of dollars, at the expense of many lives- 36,000 drug related deaths since 2006 in Mexico alone.

    Saying 'of course people who take drugs want it to be decriminalised,' misses the point entirely. I might be wrong but I assume Kofi Annan is not advocating a change in the drug laws just so he can go on a massive coke bender.

    The point is dealing with a very real problem in a way that minimizes harm. The current policy has served only to massively increase consumption of highly adulterated drugs.

    The overwhelming consensus, by sociologists and public-policy specialists (and former heads of state, if the report is anything to go) is there needs to be a radical u-turn on the criminalization of drugs.

    Unfortunately the media, government, and cultural narrative of the last 40 years has become so deeply and emotionally embedded that people do not seem too able to analyse the problem with any intelligence.


    Legalisation can and should be coupled with treatment for those that need it. Also legalizing does not mean you are going to go out and actively encourage people to take drugs, far from it. I would say it is more about giving more control with those who have a vested interest in minimizing the harm drugs may cause i.e. not the cartels.

    Those that support the current system are, inadvertently or otherwise, actually supporting a system that causes more disease, bloodshed and social harm.


    Their arguments amounting to little more than, 'But what about the children?' 'Drugs are bad!' and 'Shame on you' (as evidenced above), Not very sophisticated stuff is it?

  • Ejdnzlaj
    Ejdnzlaj wrote:

    Switzerland done a similar thing through the 90s. They still have needle vending machines in certain places, and a dedicated overdose ambulance service.

  • Pavoir Sponse
    Pavoir Sponse wrote:
  • Stevie Wonder
    Stevie Wonder wrote:

    legal or not alot of drugs are dangerous.

    legal or not there will still be crime and blood shed.

    Dando,legalising drugs will do nothing good for any country.

    matter of fact i think it will bring more blood shed and destroy that country.


    lets look at it this way.

    the whole world makes drugs legal and start manufacturing so as to make it available to their citizens but they wont be able to keep up witht the demands cos the demands will be extremly dangerous to health.

    governments will be doing this to make the mass come to them for it and not the guys selling on the streets.

    right now governments are trying to hunt down those doing this business.what do u think will happen if the government starts giving it to the masses?

    the tables will turn and these drug cartels will start hunting the government.

    the hunter will become the hunted and that wont go well at all.

    the government are doing the hunting now but are guided by laws which sometimes ties their hands even if they are sitting on top of the right cases but if cartels start hunting the government what laws will bind them?


    can u even imagine a country with all the known and unknown(experimental drugs) available to the masses?

    it would be chaotic.

    that country will fall fast and hard.

  • Stevie Wonder
    Stevie Wonder wrote:

    and captain america knows everything cos he is the captain.right?

    dude,do u play chess?or do u know the laws of playing chess?

    same laws applies in a real world of combat.

    if u know the laws then u will understand what i mean.

    u are just looking at the term legalization and u think that is where it will all end up to if such a thing did happen?

    that cartels will be bankrupt and then they will be finished?

    fuck shit , soo naive.

    wow,sorry dude but that is rather really low minded.

    let me ask Mr captain america a question. if u were the head of one of the biggest drug cartel in the world and ur government started legalizing drugs ,what would the CAPTAIN do?

  • Pavoir Sponse
    Pavoir Sponse wrote:


    I think the Captain was just pointing out that your logic does not quite work.

    Let's take alcohol for example. It used to be illegal in America (prohibition era), but then they legalised it to minimise the crime prohibition was causing.

    By your logic these criminal gangs that made illegal alcohol would have 'hunted' down the government.


    What actually happened was that there was a massive decline in crime, because it wasn't viable for the criminal gangs to make money from alcohol anymore.


    In many ways you can view the current war on drugs as an extended era of prohibition that is doomed to fail, as it did with alcohol...

  • Stevie Wonder
    Stevie Wonder wrote:

    that is alchol.

    does it get u as high as hard drugs?

    and keeping that away from the public ssounds rather silly.

    alcohol cant be used to compare with drugs.

    the money from drugs and the highness surpasses that of alcohol in a hundred fold.

  • Pavoir Sponse
    Pavoir Sponse wrote:


    In answer to your question, does it get you as high as hard drugs? It depends what you mean by 'high,' but I would say yes it does. Alcohol probably inclines me to poor decision making more than hard drugs.

    You mention that keeping alcohol away from the public seems rather silly. I completely agree (it was a huge failure).


    I think alcohol is an imperfect but ok comaprison. I'm not sure why you do not want to compare them. Alcohol is, after all, a drug.

    I don't think money from drugs surpasses alcohol one hundered fold. The illegal drug trade is worth about 1% of global GDP


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