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  • Seeya
  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    只有sb会这样做。

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    The Senkaku islands (their real name) were owned by a private Japanese family and are now owned by the Japanese government. This is a recognised fact by pretty much every country in the world except for China and its cowering allies.

    Come on China, grow up and act mature instead of like a baby having a "face" tantrum throwing its toys out of the pram!!

  • Simen Stensvoll

    民众自发抵制日货是没有用的,损失的还是老百姓自己。天朝有本事就对日本进行经济治裁,直接在海关把日货挡住不就行了吗。

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    Oh come on dark angel, this is just another example of China throwing its new weight around in a world where it desparately needs resources and securing fossil fuel fields is all this is about. The islands are Japanese and everyone knows it.

  • Simen Stensvoll

    呵呵,明儿天朝不给别人送钱就不错了,我觉得钓鱼岛这事儿根本就不是咱老百姓该操心的,只不过想转移大家的视线,缓和一下内部矛盾而已

  • Simen Stensvoll

    对于老百姓来说,谁当政都不重要,重要的是自己的日子过得舒不舒坦。政治是政客之间的游戏。

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Taking back everything in the seas bearing the name China is part of China's Manifest Density.

    The international community isn't going to show China any sympathy for its historical claims to the islands, which are utterly irrelevant. Territorial sovereignty claims are not based on historical premises. They're based on who is presently administering the area. That's Japan. Deal with it.

    It's the same story with the Paracel, Spratleys, etc. in the South China Sea. There, China is bullying all the weaker countries with competing claims. When all the weaker Southeast Asian countries get together and say they want to talk about it at ASEAN plus China and Japan, China says "This isn't the forum for discussing the issue!" and goes back to bilateral discussions with individually smaller states because they're too fucking cowardly to deal with it in the multilateral forum.

    Enter America. Boosting U.S. military presence in the Pacific is the best excuse to taper off American presence in Eurasia. I almost want China to keep up the sabre rattling, because a naval war between China and America would be comparatively bloodless.

    Sorry, China, but geopolitics is not like bargaining at the silk market. You can't ask for 1000% of what's reasonable and expect to walk away with a bigger share. You get nothing.

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    哈哈哈哈,集思广益?

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    to war for money and call it national principles is the biggest shame of all.

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    read some Chinese websites

    To what? Get their impartial take on the matter? lol

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    ITT China is the United States of Asia

  • Lukia
    Lukia wrote:

    Alex ! go back to your small place and learn some history of it... idiot美国,只是一个会凑热闹的墙头草

  • Lukia
    Lukia wrote:

    american = shits

  • Lukia
    Lukia wrote:

    idiot美国,只是一个会凑热闹的墙头草灭日本之前,先灭了美国

  • Simen Wangberg

    Good to see that the 愤青 are still alive and well.

    Who do you think owns all the Japanese cars that have been trashed in China thus far? Chinese people, I guess...?

    To recap: Chinese people destroying property that their countrymen worked and paid for...because Japan.

    Keep making sense, guys.

  • Holly㊛
    Holly㊛ wrote:

    http://env.people.com.cn/GB/238295/349148/index.html 朋友分享~打开这个网页。去插上一杆中国国旗。 9.18今日 勿忘國恥日!

  • Simen Wangberg

    "the easiest way to make people less concerned with the government inside of china is to make an enemy for chinese outside of china . now chinese will be focused on japan, not focused on the chinese government during the change after the change and things are stable inside china, the problem with japan will disappear for a while until there is a need to bring it up again . chinese government controls the news in china, if they did not want all chinese people to get angry at japan, they would not show this news, this is their plan ."

    I certainly hope your American friend's English is better than that, but yes. Exactly that.

    Western media have been talking about how the Diaoyu Islands dispute is happening at a bad time for China, but I think the Chinese government couldn't have asked for a better distraction. The amount of propaganda being generated around this is incredible. A single message repeated by dozens of government bodies, changed slightly depending on its source but essentially the same each time, issued on a daily basis and carried by almost every state-owned newspaper or magazine in the country.

    The Chinese government is in an elegant position where it can pretend to scold the "bad" protesters and encourage the "good" ones - never mind the fact that there is little, if any, distinction between them. Protests of this scale happen in China, but you never hear about them. Except this time, state media has been covering the anti-Japanese protests pretty much around the clock.

    Fuck all of this forever.

  • Holly㊛
    Holly㊛ wrote:

    The first, Reading the history of the United States, you can discover, this country is to rely on the war to make a fortune!!!Why say that?Everyone knows that the U.S. military has the world's most advanced weapons in the modern times, provoke Israel against Iran, Let the wealthy Saudi quantity buying U.S. advanced weapons,Oil-rich rich countries in the Middle East, every Middle East countries all the not weapons equipment countries!but the political situation in the Middle East has not been very stable,This makes the Middle East every rich country fall over each other to buy American advanced weapons!!!

                  And now,Let the Japanese dare Chinese territory this problems,I think The United States wants to let Japan buy American advanced weapons the first,and then, The most important thing is, want to see China's modern war strength!!!Now the dollar exchange rate has been slow picks up, since the economic crisis after,the United States has been in the planning of the world war, make mischief, gain profit from by the war menaced every one country , countries also relied on the United States in policy.The United States is the kingdom maximum benefit!!!The United States only need to pretend to be "international police" or "god", can destroy any one threat to it and  has influential countries!!!
    
  • Simen Wangberg

    第一は、アメリカの歴史を読むと、あなたは発見することができ、この国は財産を作るために戦争に依存することです!なぜ誰もが米軍が現代の世界で最も先進的な武器を持っていることを知っている?言う、イランに対する挑発イスラエルは、米国の高度な兵器を購入する裕福なサウジアラビア量う、中東、すべての中東諸国は、すべての武器ではない機器の国!が、中東の政治情勢の石油の豊富な豊かな国は、非常に安定していない、これはアメリカの高度な兵器を購入することを互いの上にすべての豊かな国の秋中東を作る!

                  そして今、日本の挑戦中国の領土にこの問題をみましょう、私は、米国は、日本が最初のアメリカの先進的な武器を購入し、その後、最も重要なことは、中国の現代の戦争の強さを見たいと思ってみましょうしたいと思います!

                 今、ドルの為替レートは後の経済危機以降、アップ遅いピックされており、米国は世界戦争の計画にあった、いたずらをする戦争はすべての1つの国を脅したことで利益を獲得し、国も米国に依存していましたpolicy.The米国では米国は!王国の最大の利益である米国は唯一、"国際警察"や "神"のふりをするためにそれにいずれかの脅威を破壊することができる必要があり、影響力のある国があり!

    You're right, Holly. Google Translate IS awesome. LOOK AT THAT WORD MAGIC. They just change when you hit the button!

  • Simen Wangberg

    "What is urgently in need is some anti-brainwash / anti-info blocking / anti-real estate bubble / anti-human rights deprivation/ anti- resource monopoly/ anti-gov corruption/ anti-social welfare system deficiency... protests."

    I think those protests do happen sometimes, but they're small and we never hear about them :-/ Remember the Wukan protests?

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... heehee ... seeing that "money" does not "appear" in the ideal of Communism, it is just the country's greed we are talking about?

  • Simen Wangberg

    "seeing that 'money' does not 'appear' in the ideal of Communism, it is just the country's greed we are talking about?"

    Even the CPC knows the meaning of C.R.E.A.M., yo.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    The only country that would benefit from escalation of the dispute would be the United States. If there was ever a good excuse to GTFO of Eurasia and refocus on Asia-Pacific, old-fashioned containment would be it.

    That's a bit optimistic, though.

    I think Apple Inc. will punish all of Asia--which is basically Chinese--by releasing unmanned iDrones. Also, Goophone sounds like an ethnic slur.

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    Hahahahaha ... Apple has already done that by releasing an iPhone that cannot be used, at least for the moment ...

    I think many of the people on the streets are people who have gone mad because of this ...

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    USA is going to collapse soon....heard of it?...

    I think that might be tertiary stages of the pox Americana affecting your brain. War is big money for the Yanks.

    Go get your cuntsores drained, you vile harpy.

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    there will be some major new advancements in robotics that will have shock wave effects on manufacturing.

    how knoweth you? link?

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

    。。。

    (continued) ... heehee ... kids, gather around for Chinese proverb, what TDA meant was 各家自扫门前雪,莫管他人瓦上霜, which is also what the Chinese govt has been saying for many years ...

    APE MAN..

    That sounds too much like ... ahhh ... what's that sickie's name?

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    it's an azn thing u 外国人 wouldn't understand

    implying teh Europes never killed each other

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    哈哈哈哈,一句“别人的国家”,让我很矛盾!

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    哈哈哈哈,我的意思是,我要重新考虑,我是哪国!

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    哈哈哈哈,你是否忘了什么了?

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (续)。。。换了纯中文台?

    就钓鱼岛问题到现在闹到这种地步一定会有一个让我们满意的结果的

    问:什么是满意?

    至于那些觉得中国如何如何或者中国政府怎样怎样的人,要么就滚回自己的国家去,要么就闭上嘴老老实实的呆着

    哈哈哈哈,要是这些人“自己的国家”就是中国呢?

  • Schokoschoko
    Schokoschoko wrote:

    both china and japan have acted very. . . .crazily over such a non issue.

    @Pete Mcbrostein, which and where is the crazy part of Japan? The truth is except for some rightists, most of the Japanese don't even care about what is going on with that uninhabited island.

    China won World war 2?

    I understand this is sarcasm?

    Why people so easily wanted to turn to the war solution, it won't even be the case of military economy when it comes to China! This would mean the sacrifice of the peaceful life they're having!

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  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Oh. Right. This is your thread. Oh well. I'll save that one for later.

  • Schokoschoko
    Schokoschoko wrote:

    who gives a shit about a bunch of rocks in the sea?

    Obviously some ca. one fifth population of the globe do:-)

  • Schokoschoko
    Schokoschoko wrote:

    A war would be worldwide economic suicide.

    It certainly harms the economy, but I wouldn't call it suicide. Countries at the lower end of the supply chain which only plays the part of assembly without owning the core technology would definitely hurt most. After all, countries at upper end could still consider shifting the assembly to other countries/regions or even doing green field in an alternative country. Although it might take some time, it would definitely be of consideration for e.g. inward FDI in the future to think beyond PRC. Besides, labor and land costs are rising and other LDC are catching up.

  • Schokoschoko
    Schokoschoko wrote:

    Large scale manufacturing will stay in China for another 8 years, but small scale is already on its way out.

    don't know how you got that number, but basically agreed with what you've said.

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

    。。。

    (continued) ... what is "large scale"?

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... you skipped breakfast? or the last year? Havent many "large ones" already moved out of China?

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... ans: only rich people like Pete ...

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ...

    For a communist country ...

    Huh? Which country?

  • Schokoschoko
    Schokoschoko wrote:

    But who will buy these products once there are no more jobs?

    People who are working on the production/assembly line are seldom the ones who buy these products, e.g. an assembly worker in foxconn is unlikely to own an iphone, a sewer in LV factory would also not own a real LV purse. So whether they have the jobs or not, they wouldn't be the targeted customers for these products anyway.

    You do realize there is a huge domestic market inside China, dont you?

    I agree on this one, the market being there could somehow prevent quick shift/exit of production/manufacture/final assembly for many product categories. But what can really be of concern is the further impossibility for FDI to put key-component manufacture in China, take the automobile industry for example, the PRC government was aiming at technology transfer to China when they decided only joint venture allowed for foreign carmakers (and no less than 50% ownership of domestic partner) in China. But almost 3 decades have passed, the spill-over effect barely happened.

    For labor-insentive industry e.g. textile, manufactures have already shift the orders to neighbour countries like vietnam, cambodia, india.

  • Schokoschoko
    Schokoschoko wrote:

    and to supplement, explaination for FDI not to put the key-component to China also due to (except for political reason):

    1. like Pete Mcbrostein said, the IP protection problem in China.
    2. producing back in home country and export for assembly to China or other countries is cheaper than building up the whole production line.
    3. lack of trained engineers and workers in China or third countries

    FYI, Japanese companies have from a long long long time ago taken "China+1" strategy into oversea production planning. Meaning, one can not put all the production in China, but rather adopt a diversified strategy. Indeed I've never known any Japanese company that only put their production facility in China, although the one in China is normally quite big. Such strategy is also advised by the JETRO (Japan external trade organization).

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

    。。。

    Hahahaha ... which of you idiot say that "China won WW2"?

  • pommie
    pommie wrote:

    这才是内战。。。


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  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    I have two general comments to make...

    First of all, many of those attending these protests are bored, ignorant youths who have all other means and avenues of protest CLOSED to them for fear of immediate arrest and detainment on god only knows what kind of trumped up charges. Many are attending because they are bored and are "legally" allowed to do so. (As we know, the government has tacitly supported this anti-japanese movement via CCTV and other media as a way of bolstering national pride and identity, whist simultaneously diverting attention away from internal CCP power struggles.) For many of the youth, this is the only time in their 'adult' lives when they have been able to take to the street and join in with any kind of political demonstration. I think this is important to remember. I have now heard numerous anecdotal accounts of young office workers in Beijing whispering about how they snuck out at lunchtime to join in or winess protests simply because it was someting out of the ordinary to do. Somewhat of a novelty. A boredom buster. Something rather than nothing.

    Secondly, something I find very amusing and ironic but not in the slightest bit surprising... At some of these protests, around the country, there have been small tightknit groups of anti-gubbermint protestors! (glimmers of hope I like to call them). While being no more vocal than their anti-japanese counterparts, no more destructive and in fact likely far less so (because they know already that they are skating on very very thin ice), these groups are immediately stopped and arrested, bundled into vans and taken away, while the anti-japanese protestors around them are allowed to continue smashing up Hondas and Nissans...and bashing in japanese product buying Chinese people's heads.

    Astonishingly brazen idiocy from both sides (the party and the street party).

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... there has also been "rumor" that some of these people were paid (or ordered, military) to do so ...

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    there has also been "rumor" that some of these people were paid (or ordered, military) to do so

    Governments all over the world are well known to use agent provocateurs to incite violence, discord or confusion in otherwise peaceful and coordinated protests.

    This then gives government the moral and legal authority to take action against protestors by:

    1) Discrediting the moral and fundamental basis of the protestors.

    2) Discounting their peaceful actions (which have now been turned violent) and denounce any connected with the protests as criminal and guilty of anti-social behavior.

    3) Punish innocent and law abiding citizens by using the facade of "maintaining the peace" (due to the actions of agents provocateurs). Also, breaking up protests, arresting attendees and otherwise hindering legal political expression of ordinary people - while reasoning with the false premise that they pose a danger to society.

    4) Preventing future legal demonstration using the false premise that they pose a danger to society.

    5) Stigmatizing group leaders, blaming them for the mess when in reality it was coordinated by government opponents wishing to smear the legal expression of dissatisfaction.

    Please, dont be fooled by these tactics, they are real and are employed by governments or other interest groups the world over at every protest worth anything. You have been warned.

  • J
    J wrote:

    说这么多,貌似好像能改变什么一样。。。。

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

    。。。

    (续)。。。

    领土和政权完全就是2回事,明白?

    哈哈哈哈,问题是,中国政府不明白!

  • Schokoschoko
    Schokoschoko wrote:

    你可以开玩笑说现在是国共合作期!

    You could pretend to be innocent and said something like that, I don't think Taiwan would want to chip in to go against the Japaneses or in another saying, I don't think the Taiwaness politicians would dare to go for cooperation with mainland when it comes to territory/territorial waters dispute.

  • J
    J wrote:

    没事儿,她还小。

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  • Sonja Lund
    Sonja Lund wrote:

    哈哈,从一个话题转到另一个完全不相干的话题原来是这样过渡的。

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