The Senkaku islands (their real name) were owned by a private Japanese family and are now owned by the Japanese government. This is a recognised fact by pretty much every country in the world except for China and its cowering allies.
Come on China, grow up and act mature instead of like a baby having a "face" tantrum throwing its toys out of the pram!!
Oh come on dark angel, this is just another example of China throwing its new weight around in a world where it desparately needs resources and securing fossil fuel fields is all this is about. The islands are Japanese and everyone knows it.
Taking back everything in the seas bearing the name China is part of China's Manifest Density.
The international community isn't going to show China any sympathy for its historical claims to the islands, which are utterly irrelevant. Territorial sovereignty claims are not based on historical premises. They're based on who is presently administering the area. That's Japan. Deal with it.
It's the same story with the Paracel, Spratleys, etc. in the South China Sea. There, China is bullying all the weaker countries with competing claims. When all the weaker Southeast Asian countries get together and say they want to talk about it at ASEAN plus China and Japan, China says "This isn't the forum for discussing the issue!" and goes back to bilateral discussions with individually smaller states because they're too fucking cowardly to deal with it in the multilateral forum.
Enter America. Boosting U.S. military presence in the Pacific is the best excuse to taper off American presence in Eurasia. I almost want China to keep up the sabre rattling, because a naval war between China and America would be comparatively bloodless.
Sorry, China, but geopolitics is not like bargaining at the silk market. You can't ask for 1000% of what's reasonable and expect to walk away with a bigger share. You get nothing.
to war for money and call it national principles is the biggest shame of all.
read some Chinese websites
To what? Get their impartial take on the matter? lol
ITT China is the United States of Asia
Alex ! go back to your small place and learn some history of it... idiot美国，只是一个会凑热闹的墙头草
american = shits
Good to see that the 愤青 are still alive and well.
Who do you think owns all the Japanese cars that have been trashed in China thus far? Chinese people, I guess...?
To recap: Chinese people destroying property that their countrymen worked and paid for...because Japan.
Keep making sense, guys.
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"the easiest way to make people less concerned with the government inside of china is to make an enemy for chinese outside of china . now chinese will be focused on japan, not focused on the chinese government during the change after the change and things are stable inside china, the problem with japan will disappear for a while until there is a need to bring it up again . chinese government controls the news in china, if they did not want all chinese people to get angry at japan, they would not show this news, this is their plan ."
I certainly hope your American friend's English is better than that, but yes. Exactly that.
Western media have been talking about how the Diaoyu Islands dispute is happening at a bad time for China, but I think the Chinese government couldn't have asked for a better distraction. The amount of propaganda being generated around this is incredible. A single message repeated by dozens of government bodies, changed slightly depending on its source but essentially the same each time, issued on a daily basis and carried by almost every state-owned newspaper or magazine in the country.
The Chinese government is in an elegant position where it can pretend to scold the "bad" protesters and encourage the "good" ones - never mind the fact that there is little, if any, distinction between them. Protests of this scale happen in China, but you never hear about them. Except this time, state media has been covering the anti-Japanese protests pretty much around the clock.
Fuck all of this forever.
The first, Reading the history of the United States, you can discover, this country is to rely on the war to make a fortune!!!Why say that?Everyone knows that the U.S. military has the world's most advanced weapons in the modern times, provoke Israel against Iran, Let the wealthy Saudi quantity buying U.S. advanced weapons,Oil-rich rich countries in the Middle East, every Middle East countries all the not weapons equipment countries!but the political situation in the Middle East has not been very stable,This makes the Middle East every rich country fall over each other to buy American advanced weapons!!!
And now,Let the Japanese dare Chinese territory this problems,I think The United States wants to let Japan buy American advanced weapons the first,and then, The most important thing is, want to see China's modern war strength!!!Now the dollar exchange rate has been slow picks up, since the economic crisis after,the United States has been in the planning of the world war, make mischief, gain profit from by the war menaced every one country , countries also relied on the United States in policy.The United States is the kingdom maximum benefit!!!The United States only need to pretend to be "international police" or "god", can destroy any one threat to it and has influential countries!!!
You're right, Holly. Google Translate IS awesome. LOOK AT THAT WORD MAGIC. They just change when you hit the button!
"What is urgently in need is some anti-brainwash / anti-info blocking / anti-real estate bubble / anti-human rights deprivation/ anti- resource monopoly/ anti-gov corruption/ anti-social welfare system deficiency... protests."
I think those protests do happen sometimes, but they're small and we never hear about them :-/ Remember the Wukan protests?
(continued) ... heehee ... seeing that "money" does not "appear" in the ideal of Communism, it is just the country's greed we are talking about?
"seeing that 'money' does not 'appear' in the ideal of Communism, it is just the country's greed we are talking about?"
Even the CPC knows the meaning of C.R.E.A.M., yo.
The only country that would benefit from escalation of the dispute would be the United States. If there was ever a good excuse to GTFO of Eurasia and refocus on Asia-Pacific, old-fashioned containment would be it.
That's a bit optimistic, though.
I think Apple Inc. will punish all of Asia--which is basically Chinese--by releasing unmanned iDrones. Also, Goophone sounds like an ethnic slur.
Hahahahaha ... Apple has already done that by releasing an iPhone that cannot be used, at least for the moment ...
I think many of the people on the streets are people who have gone mad because of this ...
USA is going to collapse soon....heard of it?...
I think that might be tertiary stages of the pox Americana affecting your brain. War is big money for the Yanks.
Go get your cuntsores drained, you vile harpy.
there will be some major new advancements in robotics that will have shock wave effects on manufacturing.
how knoweth you? link?
it's an azn thing u 外国人 wouldn't understand
implying teh Europes never killed each other
both china and japan have acted very. . . .crazily over such a non issue.
@Pete Mcbrostein, which and where is the crazy part of Japan? The truth is except for some rightists, most of the Japanese don't even care about what is going on with that uninhabited island.
China won World war 2?
I understand this is sarcasm?
Why people so easily wanted to turn to the war solution, it won't even be the case of military economy when it comes to China! This would mean the sacrifice of the peaceful life they're having!
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Oh. Right. This is your thread. Oh well. I'll save that one for later.
who gives a shit about a bunch of rocks in the sea?
Obviously some ca. one fifth population of the globe do:-)
A war would be worldwide economic suicide.
It certainly harms the economy, but I wouldn't call it suicide. Countries at the lower end of the supply chain which only plays the part of assembly without owning the core technology would definitely hurt most. After all, countries at upper end could still consider shifting the assembly to other countries/regions or even doing green field in an alternative country. Although it might take some time, it would definitely be of consideration for e.g. inward FDI in the future to think beyond PRC. Besides, labor and land costs are rising and other LDC are catching up.
Large scale manufacturing will stay in China for another 8 years, but small scale is already on its way out.
don't know how you got that number, but basically agreed with what you've said.
(continued) ... what is "large scale"?
(continued) ... you skipped breakfast? or the last year? Havent many "large ones" already moved out of China?
For a communist country ...
Huh? Which country?
But who will buy these products once there are no more jobs?
People who are working on the production/assembly line are seldom the ones who buy these products, e.g. an assembly worker in foxconn is unlikely to own an iphone, a sewer in LV factory would also not own a real LV purse. So whether they have the jobs or not, they wouldn't be the targeted customers for these products anyway.
You do realize there is a huge domestic market inside China, dont you?
I agree on this one, the market being there could somehow prevent quick shift/exit of production/manufacture/final assembly for many product categories. But what can really be of concern is the further impossibility for FDI to put key-component manufacture in China, take the automobile industry for example, the PRC government was aiming at technology transfer to China when they decided only joint venture allowed for foreign carmakers (and no less than 50% ownership of domestic partner) in China. But almost 3 decades have passed, the spill-over effect barely happened.
For labor-insentive industry e.g. textile, manufactures have already shift the orders to neighbour countries like vietnam, cambodia, india.
and to supplement, explaination for FDI not to put the key-component to China also due to (except for political reason):
FYI, Japanese companies have from a long long long time ago taken "China+1" strategy into oversea production planning. Meaning, one can not put all the production in China, but rather adopt a diversified strategy. Indeed I've never known any Japanese company that only put their production facility in China, although the one in China is normally quite big. Such strategy is also advised by the JETRO (Japan external trade organization).
Hahahaha ... which of you idiot say that "China won WW2"?
I have two general comments to make...
First of all, many of those attending these protests are bored, ignorant youths who have all other means and avenues of protest CLOSED to them for fear of immediate arrest and detainment on god only knows what kind of trumped up charges. Many are attending because they are bored and are "legally" allowed to do so. (As we know, the government has tacitly supported this anti-japanese movement via CCTV and other media as a way of bolstering national pride and identity, whist simultaneously diverting attention away from internal CCP power struggles.) For many of the youth, this is the only time in their 'adult' lives when they have been able to take to the street and join in with any kind of political demonstration. I think this is important to remember. I have now heard numerous anecdotal accounts of young office workers in Beijing whispering about how they snuck out at lunchtime to join in or winess protests simply because it was someting out of the ordinary to do. Somewhat of a novelty. A boredom buster. Something rather than nothing.
Secondly, something I find very amusing and ironic but not in the slightest bit surprising... At some of these protests, around the country, there have been small tightknit groups of anti-gubbermint protestors! (glimmers of hope I like to call them). While being no more vocal than their anti-japanese counterparts, no more destructive and in fact likely far less so (because they know already that they are skating on very very thin ice), these groups are immediately stopped and arrested, bundled into vans and taken away, while the anti-japanese protestors around them are allowed to continue smashing up Hondas and Nissans...and bashing in japanese product buying Chinese people's heads.
Astonishingly brazen idiocy from both sides (the party and the street party).
(continued) ... there has also been "rumor" that some of these people were paid (or ordered, military) to do so ...
there has also been "rumor" that some of these people were paid (or ordered, military) to do so
Governments all over the world are well known to use agent provocateurs to incite violence, discord or confusion in otherwise peaceful and coordinated protests.
This then gives government the moral and legal authority to take action against protestors by:
1) Discrediting the moral and fundamental basis of the protestors.
2) Discounting their peaceful actions (which have now been turned violent) and denounce any connected with the protests as criminal and guilty of anti-social behavior.
3) Punish innocent and law abiding citizens by using the facade of "maintaining the peace" (due to the actions of agents provocateurs). Also, breaking up protests, arresting attendees and otherwise hindering legal political expression of ordinary people - while reasoning with the false premise that they pose a danger to society.
4) Preventing future legal demonstration using the false premise that they pose a danger to society.
5) Stigmatizing group leaders, blaming them for the mess when in reality it was coordinated by government opponents wishing to smear the legal expression of dissatisfaction.
Please, dont be fooled by these tactics, they are real and are employed by governments or other interest groups the world over at every protest worth anything. You have been warned.
You could pretend to be innocent and said something like that, I don't think Taiwan would want to chip in to go against the Japaneses or in another saying, I don't think the Taiwaness politicians would dare to go for cooperation with mainland when it comes to territory/territorial waters dispute.
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