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  • joe
    joe wrote:
    <p>http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stories/hong-kong-says-no-to-mainland-education-chinese-reactions.html</p> <p>Interesting!</p>
  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    mmm... I hope HK stays strong and sets an example to the mainland in two key areas - their good educational system and LAWS which apply to all and are enforced (you know, like in a real country...)!

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    Hahahahaha ... you guys are so cute ...

    so then...hong kong is not china since the people there have different rights??

    Hong Kong is just relatively.. politically independent.They have their own legitimate system and education system.

    Wrong ... HK has not been truly independent since before 1997 ... and their legal system, if you can call it that, has not been their own as well either ...

    Basically yea that. Or maybe you can say, in Hong Kong the relationship between the gov and their people is more like how it should work, like in the US, while how it works in mainland is abnormal and absurd. Residue of Feudalism, and worse.

    Heehee ... we (as HK residents) wish ... but, no ...

    Although american states can implement their own laws....they are still part of the same government legislation whereas hong kong has their own governance and legal system separate from the mainland. Moreover Hong Kong has their own dollar and financial system, whereas american states all share the same currency and financial system that is used by the main governing body.

    Comparing orange and apple? heehee ...

    mmm... I hope HK stays strong and sets an example to the mainland in two key areas - their good educational system and LAWS which apply to all and are enforced (you know, like in a real country...)!

    Hahahahahaha ...

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    DD go back to ogling highschool girls on the subway.

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    Hahahahaha ... you kids ... talking about HK ... talking about brain wash ... hahahaha ...

    Brainwashing or not, HK has not been moving up since 1997 ... if anyone should think otherwise ...

  • Alex ^∞
    Alex ^∞ wrote:

    In that case DD, why don't you comment on this topic as you supposedly know so much about it. Instead of just saying "no" and accusing people of comparing apples and oranges, why don't you tell it like it is?

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... hahahaha ... you kids ...

    At the moment, I am trying to obtain the "course content" (or curriculum) of this "national education", which was publicly announced late last month or early this month ... until I have obtained it, though doubtful, I cannot say anything specific about this, however ...

    RTHK has held a weekly public forum (debate) every Sunday at Victoria Park since the 80's, and there was one debate about this earlier, where majority of the people were against it (and hence the "walk" yesterday) but only one teacher by the name of Xu (not too sure whether her name was Cantonese pinyin or not), who has shown obvious interest in the Party and HK politics, was speaking "for" this new curriculum ...

    Not sure what else are you interested in ...

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... this is just the FAQ in relation to the "national education" guideline, but not the "guideline" itself, but has been deemed unclear and Party-biased ... I dont have any English version nor simp Chinese version ...

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  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    DD, that is why i said "relatively"

    The term "relatively" would have to be very very loose because it has not happened ever since colonization ... at one stage, around the 70's and 80's, we had to take refugees because the Brit thought it would look good for them, but they had no idea how it would affect HK ...

    mainland is a huge market for the development of HK's industries, espeically cultrue, entertaiment and media industries

    I think you have lived in (or among) UK for too long ...

    and i'm sure HK and mainland both have benefited from it at some aspects despite the political issues.

    We like to believe in something, even if it is obviously not true ... examples:

    (1) even before 1997, the (supposedly) HK education system tried to introduce "mother tongue" into the curriculum (doubtful if it was initiated by "local" administrators), to replace the use of English in some subjects, but without prior evaluation of Mandarin proficiency of the teachers, resulting in a generation of people, mostly between early to mid/late 30, who have low proficiency in both Mandarin and English ... this was later removed ...

    (2) Disneyland ... even at this point, stage 3 (or 4?) of HK Disneyland is still unfinished, and it is already known to be less attractive (though more accesible) than Japan's, while SH Disneyland is already on its way, so considering the trouble and cost, do you suppose mainland visitors are more likely to go to SH or HK?

    It's interesting that in HK you guys can actually put the phrase "brainwashing courses"洗脑课程 on a printed paper related to the gov like that. It would have been "harmonized" in one min in mainland..

    No, it is NOT interesting, unless you have been brainwashed somehow by some non Chinese cultures! And you have not been checking weibo regularly, have you?

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... most HK folks, esp the Chinese descent, are FOR this national education thing, esp when it would help to establish a "rootness" among the next generation(s) of their Chinese ancestry, after the colonization era, but being that this is mainland China, who have done an excellent job during the 60's (or 70's?), it is difficult to believe that this "new curriculum" would not be Party-biased ...

    We can all say anything we want now, because we wont see the results for at least another decade, or two, or even more, and by then, we possibly wont be around to see it ... oh, the word "harmonization" came to mind now ..

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    What's interesting to mainlanders is taken for granted by Kongers for whom the promise that "Hong Kong people administer Hong Kong" would have seemed to preclude the Central Government from micromanaging their civic institutions. Mainland educators should be taking lessons from Hong Kongers on how to indoctrinate students in laissez faire capitalist ideology.

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ...

    What's interesting to mainlanders is taken for granted by Kongers for whom the promise that "Hong Kong people administer Hong Kong" would have seemed to preclude the Central Government from micromanaging their civic institutions.

    Yes, they are "educated" to believe that ... however ...

    Mainland educators should be taking lessons from Hong Kongers on how to indoctrinate students in laissez faire capitalist ideology.

    ... the Party forbids it ...

    It's interesting that in HK you guys can actually put the phrase "brainwashing courses"洗脑课程 on a printed paper related to the gov like that. It would have been "harmonized" in one min in mainland.

    On second thought, that sounded more like a threat commonly and publicly heard on Weibo, or not so publicly in HK, when something was said against mainland gov, ...

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... a series of 3 photos of a little girl interviewed by the news ...

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  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... just read this from weibo ...

    It would seem that the anti-USA-ism (or anti-capitalism) is still very strong in mainland, and if this is part of the "national education", it is not something that kids should be fed into their brains ...

    【美国肢解中国的路线图】通过资本慢慢​地控制中国网络和中国媒体,来挑起中国人对政府的不满。​培植一些幼稚的青年人,把他们打造成偶像,大面积散播似​是而非的言论。让中国人从互相吵架到互相打架,最后在中​国制造暴乱,扶植反政府力量。最后像苏联那样,货币贬值​一万倍一夜赤贫,国家四分五裂!

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Mainland educators should be taking lessons from Hong Kongers on how to indoctrinate students in laissez faire capitalist ideology.

    (Because capitalist propaganda is superior to communist propaganda in that no one recognizes it as such.)

    ... the Party forbids it ...

    ...but thinks about it a lot when they're alone in bed at night.

    It would seem that the anti-USA-ism (or anti-capitalism) is still very strong in mainland

    I would be totally okay with this, except I think the dominant reformist wing of the Party annihilated what was left of its anti-capitalist credibility when they got into the real estate business. The Party's socialism with Chinese characteristics never even pretended to be internationalist in scope, so it can't sustain the kind of robust anti-Americanism of legitimately radical left-wingers like yours truly. Nobody here wants to talk about Marx with me! SO LONELY.

    I want to believe that these fundamental contradictions are why mainlanders are so genuinely apathetic when it comes to politics, because the brainwashing seems to me to be a bit of a bird bath. And I think mainlanders want to believe that Hong Kongers are so clever that they must already be immune to brainwashing.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    +1 Josh

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    (continued) ... Why would people ever like to use tablet or iPad to do work? Anyway ...

    In my opinion, over the last 30 years China has embraced america's capitalist system. How do you think so many Chinese have became rich?

    That's the reason why some of the HK folks are against 'national education', that future generation could lose the simple sense of reasoning, similar to what some of the mainland Chinese might be saying or thinking now ...

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Regarding tablets, with the sudden tactile change from keys to a touchscreen, switching over to Dvorak might be a little more feasible. Remote chance of that ever catching on, though. It'd make America switching to the metric system seem like child's play. Anyway, learning Dvorak is more efficient than Qwerty, so one could be more productive typing in that way.

    I hate productivity, though. I just like thinking about cybernetics.

    In other news. Man. I do so hate it when perfectly useful pharmaceuticals fall into the hands or reckless and dangerous armed men.

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    Hahahahaha ... you just hate "producing" :)

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