Hey,

So I just finished up playing some modern warfare 3, and I thought I'd check the forums. I read a post about a Chinese girl complaining about her life. Now, I have lived in Changsha, and Beijing for 3 months, so I know a bit about China, but not a whole lot. Anyway, It's made me appreciate America a lot more. I've learned that much.

Anyway, whenever I speak to an American who complains about their life, it is always easy to point out to them ways and systems they can use to improve their life. I mean, anyone without a felony can get a pell grant and go to school online. They can then use that knowledge and degree to improve their wages, and with that, live their dream of going to Spain. The point is there is usually something they can do to better their life.

For Chinese though, it really doesn't seem to be the same. I mean, even with a College degree, you will not make much money in China. I had a girlfriend with a degree in English speaking. She only made like 2000 rmb a month if I remember. She worked 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. How on Earth will anyone be able to afford a plane ticket much less a Visa, and other things to travel or live out their dreams.

I stayed at a high school a couple months in LangFang outside of Beijing. We're talking 40 year old high school teachers living in a dorm together on campus. It's easy to say that the standards aren't like America, and neither is the opportunity for these lower-middle class Chinese. Do we as Americans just do our best to ignore this fact when we see these situations in China, or is there something we can say? What advice is there to give someone who wants to live their dream, or improve their life, but has a college degree, and can barely afford a place with a stand up shower or a washing machine.

I really enjoy China, and Chinese culture. Their food is amazing, girls are pretty, and country is beautiful. I plan to go back in 6 months to SCNU in Guangzhao. I'm not saying I dislike China, and I'm not trying to disrespect China, but how do you guys respond to this? Thoughts?

Do we as Americans just do our best to ignore this fact when we see these situations in China, or is there something we can say?

watch out your own country...good-paying jobs eliminated, benefits cut or eliminated, public education is being gutted and science under attack, public health programs cut.... or What about S.O.P.A? or the principle of Freedom of religion being reduced to Christianism...

The chinese system of government and economy is the future, our own governments and their current politics go in that direction.

We are fucked, all us, whites, blacks, yellows, pinks, greens

the topic would up to a political issue

Hey Daniel,

this is a great realization and I support your opinion. In all respects, if I get a salary over 2000RMB, I already feel adequate, as I'm earning far more what little I do.

This is why I'm returning so I can feel less bad about myself, then I get rich or powerful and make the world a better place.

@ Daniel , You have a good soul. I think that no matter how we look at it we are all in the same position , well at least for the finale. Our brothers and sisters of China have worked hard to get to where they are now, very hard. So, let us consider those whom have made a difference and remember to pay respect for the departed... Yes , Americans are blessed, well, some of them. There are always demographical exceptions like me.So what, I paved my own way. I just wish the same for others, to find a blessing.

I don't think you should worry as China is very lively and just as anything thing in nature, they will grow, adapt and enjoy a fruitful life.

That's right, Virgil.

See where they were in 1970, and see where they are now.

Open eyes open mind brah.

Daniel, it is good that you have discovered income inequality is also prevalent in China.

Have you considered forming a small revolutionary vanguard, and attempting to bring capitalism to its knees?

Have you considered forming a small revolutionary vanguard, and attempting to bring capitalism to its knees?

Check it out, you guys. I just read on Wikipedia about this rockstar named Karl Marx that has some good ideas along those lines. We should all subscribe to his newsletter.

You are so ignorant and factless, like most Americans, for that matter. The way you talk is as if your country is so much more superior and better. You barey have health insurance there, because most can't afford it. You have more slums than I can imagine. I have been to USA and I have found enough poverty there. The coastal areas are the most developed, but the more centrally you go, you start to descover the real America.

I don't know what American dream you've been living into. I know a lot of people with university degrees who can't find a decent job in USA, and who had to take up another degree in hope for better chances for jobs. People in the central USA can't even afford to pay study fees for college, because it's damn expensive. It's about time you quit living he heroic, overly patriotic, American movie that you have in your head and start to see what your country really is like. You seem to have no idea. Btw, I'm from Germany. :)

P.S.: Oh, and your study system is piss. You may have some of the most expensive, and best schools, but the majority is piss dumb, reflected in the typical, average, middle-class U.S. citizen.

Well, each nation got its problems. There are plenty of people suffering while a small group of people enjoying life as if they were born with wealth as their private slave. Looking at how young Americans and Europeans are spreading all over the world for new pasture search, you got to realize that things are getting worse those sides.

After 30 years of high economic growth,China is facing a lot of problems,especially the income inequality.And the Chinese governers have noticed it,hopefully it is not too late. As to the low wage of Chinese college students,it is one of the social problems!!Due to the education reform about 10 years ago,there are too many college students which is beyond demand.And I,as a college student in China,also noticed that the Chinese college education system is beyond your imagination,in a word,you may think it is not a place for learner.The teachers are irresponsible,because the care for students does not create instant benefit for them,so they focus their attention on their own research ,in order to get a professor`s title,which will increase their salary a lot.The students,after a fierce competition in the college entrance examination,always think that the college is a place for fun.So,instead of working hard like the students in America,they spend too much time playing games. there are too much to say about China.......

Excuse me? Are you saying American students work hard in college and don't play games? You have got to be kidding me! Seriously, you guys here keep dropping one bomb after another....it's quite shocking how high your arrogance is. Chinese students, for the most part, take their schooling seriously, and the whole world knows how smart they tend to be compared to other nations.

And the income inequality is a very present reality in America as well, so, don't hurry to point your finger at others, when you've got the same crap lying on top of your own head. As I said before, you may have some of the best universities, but they only make up as a small percentage, while the majority is piss. I can back my claims with people I know. Greets from Germany. :)

@Cherry Blossom, have you ever been to the Chinese countryside?

I'm from the heartland and my understanding of the place is not too different from what this Teutonic twat has described, and I've never even had the privilege of visiting the Europes.

But what's more is that America is becoming so awful is that it's becoming increasingly rare to see one even pretend to give a fuck about inequality at all. And y'know what? It's not as if the OP spammed the forums with sensitive nice guy do-goodery in an effort to score some slanty pussy.

I don't see why this post should inspire several hundred words of petulant rants.

hmm, suprised to see people talking serious stuff other than Chinese pussie @ WLIB forum, anyways, you americans can't do much to this situation.

we chinese r gonna enjoy economic break down to some point, and maybe war stuff, and learn nothing from it just like always, and college girls will do hard work for 2000 kuai in the year 2200. and then, there will be whole lot of americans coming in, talking chinese pussie @ WLIB ====> kinda probable future.

welcome to China.

@Daniel, I appreciated for what you had said about the income inequality in China it shows that you have concerned about the current condition of China which is good. but you do not know about China at all! just because you lived here maybe for a year or more than that does not mean you know about it, China is much complicated than you imagine since with five thousand years history. as a locally born and bred we don't even have a lot nerve to saying we know China, cos you got so much to learn, to explore and doing research to know it better through its history.

About your ex-gf, i don't think its a reason of income inequality, i bet she was not graduated from a well-known university, and if she wants to find a better job in Beijing where is a big city in China like NYC in the US, she have got to have something either an ability or great skills or something like that. i have some friends just graduated last year with an ordinary degree, but guess what? she found a job at a french embassy which it get paid pretty good. so is that income inequality? bullshit! she does not even have any experience before but has great personality and a brain to using her own way to won the job. so what i'm saying people all are different, you can not judge a thing only by a one phenomenon otherwise you just being ridiculous and ignorance like@ Cherry Blossom said.

And last but not least, you guys wouldn't be in Beijing and even living here if America was good or safe enough would you?

It’s simply not classy to prejudge his personal exposé. Is that why you run from your indefinite truths? The fact of the matter is that intellectual proficiency is not all that matters in the states. You may not make it with just a brain and loud ass rants like you know who! Whether it’s a pot smoking anarchist or a self appointed flower, it could very well be the personifications or even the subsequent plea of their own cowardice that fuels this.

I can see your educational assessment of the states Big Blossom, but you were here for a season. It gets hot and the flowers don’t make it long. As for your life partner Dando Pee, please change him, well, at least his sex.

Where there is opinion exchange, classiness naturally goes out the window, unless you use PCness....which that I don't consider opinion anymore. An opinion is about being honest and saying it as you think it.

Income inequality is a worse problem in China than in America--and I say this as a 99%er who is quite well aware that America has some of the worst income inequality in the developed world.

It's not surprising that people are getting butthurt and wailing "HERP DERP YE DON'T KNOW THE CHINA LIKE I KNOWS THE CHINA." It's an extremely unflattering comparison. And China is a ostensibly a Communist country, while America is ostensibly a capitalist country. The criticism does suggest that the Chinese Government is lax in fulfilling its obligations to the rural peasants and urban workers who once formed the backbone of the socialist vanguard.

Why do you think China still uses the hukou system? It's because urban areas' social services systems could not handle the stress of rural migrants collecting benefits. In my office, we have an army of "interns"--rich pretty girls from other provinces who sign five year contracts and work their asses off for a paltry stipend of a salary just so they can get a Beijing hukou. Then I presume it's time for them to make babies, 'cuz none of them are actual translators (and that's where I come in).

The hukou system ensures inequality between rural and urban classes.

There was a reason I asked Cherry Blossom if she had been to the Chinese countryside after she said this:

I have been to USA and I have found enough poverty there. The coastal areas are the most developed, but the more centrally you go, you start to descover the real America.

I got a buddy who spends a good portion of his time reporting on rural development in the West of China. You know: THE REAL CHINA. Like me, he also grew up in Real America, and from the stories he's told, there is no comparison.

He's just beginning his transition into public service and working for NGOs. He's a clever, hardworking dude from a somewhat wealthy family. But he probably wouldn't be here doing what he does if it weren't for government programs. He started studying at a community college before going to a state university. How many rural Chinese enjoy the same opportunities?

This observation that China is a developing country and that Chinese people face great difficulties should not be so controversial. Don't call hassle OP just for calling a spade a spade.

inb4 china so many people

Back to topic ,).

I was complaining about the ignorant statement of this thread poster.

Btw, I'm not Chinese. I'm from Germany, just to make it clear. So this nationalistic bullshit doesn't apply to me.

But we in Europe know how ignorant Americans are when it comes to other cultures.

Daniel's judgement reveals a lack of objectivity, a typical characteristic of a below average on the IQ scale person.

I know that the heartland in China is extremely poor, you don't have to tell me that. And I didn't deny that, nor did I say that it's better in America. But Daniel's claim that "people don't have chances to make something out of their life" is completely wrong. And what shocks me more is that he dares to make such a statement after living a few months without to have been everywhere, and without spending a serious amount of time in China. And of course, he has to come up with the "American Dream" in a comparison. Who from America doesn't do that? Life is also hard in America! I can't believe how brainwashed they are into believing otherwise.

Ah ya, and I want to comment on the following things:

"And China is a ostensibly a Communist country, while America is ostensibly a capitalist country" ---> open your eyes, China is capitallistic too .........

"The criticism does suggest that the Chinese Government is lax in fulfilling its obligations to the rural peasants and urban workers who once formed the backbone of the socialist vanguard." ---> Heeeellooooo, the Occupy movement! Don't tell me that there aren't many Americans complaining about their life. There are enough cases where the local government doesn't fullfill people's basic needs, either. Wait, you haven't heard of this? Oh right, you're in a so-called democracy with independent uncontrolled media. Ya ya, we have that in Europe, too....

"I got a buddy who spends a good portion of his time reporting on rural development in the West of China. You know: THE REAL CHINA. Like me, he also grew up in Real America, and from the stories he's told, there is no comparison."

As I said, I know it's extremly poor, I didn't deny this and, nor did I say it's better in America, but hey, that isn't the point of the discussion! I just mentioned that example to make clear that there are also enough people in America who don't have chances to pursue their American dream! Face it! So next time, more objectivity, please (at people like Daniel).

Peace from Germany ;).

Agreed (Cherry blossom), that's why I had healthy laugh. Hopefully you did too? However,in respect to the D this is what makes me F with the madman just take a look^. Some may even call it proficiency in its obvious profundity, but what do we really know?

Stay up DZ

@Cherry Kraut --

(a) What part of the underdeveloped "American heartland" did you visit? How many people walking 5 kilometers to get water did you see?

But Daniel's claim that "people don't have chances to make something out of their life" is completely wrong.

How many countryside farmers with no electricity or running water, who can't even take showers are getting into Harvard?

"The criticism does suggest that the Chinese Government is lax in fulfilling its obligations to the rural peasants and urban workers who once formed the backbone of the socialist vanguard." ---> Heeeellooooo, the Occupy movement!

WTF? You totally don't get what he said. Peasants MADE the communist party back in the day. "Workers unite! Marx!" and all that... Since 1978, they've largely abandoned the peasants in favor of global "face". WTF does that have to do with Occupy? Occupy may like Marx, but Chairman Occupy never made a glorious speech on October 1 of some year, so you're not making sense.

I know it's extremly poor, I didn't deny this and, nor did I say it's better in America

Uh, "extremely poor" is why Daniel's claim was RIGHT. The extremely poor ARE better off in America. Don't you watch Fox News? The American "poors" (mostly non-white) all have refrigerators, flat screen TVs and X-Boxes while receiving free government money for having babies out of wedlock.

You're all over the place and really don't have enough of a clue about anything to be so self-assured of your absolute rightness about everything.

Btw, I'm not Chinese. I'm from Germany, just to make it clear.

You already made it more-or-less clear in two other chunks of disorganized text, and I can see that from your profile. I'm still not convinced, though. Germans organize their thoughts better than you. Now I'm rather of a mind that you're a troll, because even the most obnoxiously nationalistic of Americans doesn't have to remind everyone of it three fucking times in one thread. And I should know, as I have done much to familiarize myself with the behaviors of the worst sorts of Americans.

So this nationalistic bullshit doesn't apply to me.

Nationalistic bullshit only emerged within the conversation when you said this:

You are so ignorant and factless, like most Americans, for that matter.

And now you're back-pedaling and being passive aggressive.

But Daniel's claim that "people don't have chances to make something out of their life" is completely wrong.

Daniel meant to say people have drastically fewer opportunities to make something out of their lives in China, and you split hairs and decided to chalk it up to American ignorance.

Heeeellooooo, the Occupy movement!

I believe I anticipated that:

Income inequality is a worse problem in China than in America--and I say this as a 99%er who is quite well aware that America has some of the worst income inequality in the developed world.

Aaand that's about as much of your bullshit as I can bother to read tonight. Do learn how to quote. It does wonders for coherence. And do try reading what other people have to say and try to figure out where they're coming from before you say something astonishingly prejudicial. You're not exactly dealing with a proud American, after all.

4chan uber alles.

TY, SCOOT.

Dammit, you will not have the lost word on the Didn't Read LOLs.

Sweet. Read my post again.

But hey, as I said, you better not expect too much from Americans, so I'm going to say it all once more.

1) the discussion is not about Heartland China is better than Heartland America 2) the example should point out that there is INEQUALITY in America, a fact that you CAN'T deny, and that there are enough Americans who can't pursue your so-called "AMERICAN DREAM" 3) and YES, your lower class people CAN'T afford to pay the tuition fees for study 4) "How many people walking 5 kilometers to get water did you see?" ---> read above, I didn't say it's better than America. 5) "WTF? You totally don't get what he said. Peasants MADE the communist party back in the day. "Workers unite! Marx!" and all that... Since 1978, they've largely abandoned the peasants in favor of global "face". WTF does that have to do with Occupy? Occupy may like Marx, but Chairman Occupy never made a glorious speech on October 1 of some year, so you're not making sense."

--> True facts, but again this is not the point of this discussion ........... it is obvious that in a direct comparison and statistically, Americans are better off than Chinese. So there is no point in comparing. But what shocks me and others is this ignorant comment that there are no ways for the Chinese to better their lives. If that is true, how come that there is now a bigger middle class than 30 years ago? There are chances, but not for everybody. Same in America. While in America, having a TV and water is NOT the American Dream !!!!! It's a relative perception.

WIth my previous comment, I wanted to make it clear that besides criticizm here and there about China, there is enough flaw about America and that there is no point in going into detail, since we are not having a Country vs Country comparison with facts vs facts.

6) Uh, "extremely poor" is why Daniel's claim was RIGHT. The extremely poor ARE better off in America. Don't you watch Fox News? The American "poors" (mostly non-white) all have refrigerators, flat screen TVs and X-Boxes while receiving free government money for having babies out of wedlock.

..... Again, you idiot, I never said that it's better than in America, and this is NOT the point of this discussion! And I don't need to watch Fox News, your so-called independent and uncontrolled media source, when I know people of my own, I saw it by myself. And by the way, Fox News is one of the most biased, inaccurate media news source for anyone who is looking for raw, genuine information. Quite funny, it takes a foreigner to tell you that, when you COME from there. Just shows how little you know about your own country.

BTW I'M 1/8 GERMAN. AND I DIP MY FRENCH FRIES IN MAYONNAISE.

ಠ_ರೃ (随便叫兽)- So, you don't agree with something and I'm already a troll? Don't you think you are using this term rather too widely and loosely?

You obviously don't know Germans. Disorganized? Why should I bother with that on here? Unless I am writing a thesis on some intelectual subject, I don't think I have to prove anything to anyone. And secondly, that is one hell of a cheap try to get to me, picking on the way I write. Don't worry, I still most probably have a higher IQ than yours. lol

Of course you are going to defend your own culture and your own folks, so, I didn't expect any less from you. But puhhlease, keep your overwhelming ''intellegence'' and ''wit'' to yourself. If what I say hurts your overly-clever brain so much, then don't fuckin' read my posts.

What bothers me much about so many foreigners, especially American, is that the way you talk about China and Chinese people is ignorant in a juvenile way: ''Look at you, you don't have flat screen TVs, you can't afford a car...I feel bad for you. Our most poor people can afford Flat screen TVs and XboX...'' AND??? In a way, it occurs to me, though, that you kind of take pleasure in going to less developed countries and picking at their lack of goods and inability to purchase them due to economic reasons...I bet this is something that soothes your egos, no? It makes you feel better about yourselves. Well, your most poor class may afford flat screen TVs and XboX, but what your country utterly lacks is a worthy history and culture. You don't have to feel bad for them, they don't need your pity.

And btw, the last 3 messages that have been posted on here by Cherry Blossom were written by my boyfriend, as he has been surfing the website with my account.

And btw, the last 3 messages that have been posted on here by Cherry Blossom were written by my boyfriend, as he has been surfing the website with my account.

Go to bed, Christoph.

ಠ_ರೃ (随便叫兽) Go fuck yourself paranoid twat. I'm not Christoph you idiot. And better show some respect. YOU go to bed.

@Psycho you rule. That's the trippiest animated graphic I've ever seen. Or I'm just very stoned. Or both.

LMFAO You have a rich imagination, I can give you that. Troll!

"I mean, even with a College degree, you will not make much money in China"

comment:

i got relatives over there who studied and got good jobs and salaries by chinese standards in chinese companies.

how you counter this mr.thread poster?

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"Btw, I'm not Chinese. I'm from Germany, just to make it clear. So this nationalistic bullshit doesn't apply to me."

referred to

"It's not surprising that people are getting butthurt and wailing "HERP DERP YE DON'T KNOW THE CHINA LIKE I KNOWS THE CHINA.""

comment:

coz u make it sound like only chinese people act like "herp derp" but she isnt chinese.

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",there are too many college students which is beyond demand"

true

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"The teachers are irresponsible,because the care for students does not create instant benefit for them,so they focus their attention on their own research ,in order to get a professor`s title,which will increase their salary a lot.The students,after a fierce competition in the college entrance examination,always think that the college is a place for fun.So,instead of working hard like the students in America,they spend too much time playing games. there are too much to say about China......."

express yourself differently please. u make it sound like thats a fact and generalize that. have peeps from netherlands, france and germany who did exchange in the U.S and they say the same american students.

have cousins raised up in canada and u.s enjoying college and universitiy degress and i admit that they are narrow minded compared to germans and quite patriotic while we germans are super critical towards media and government. are the americans now more brainwashed? the 1.000.000.000 $$$$ question!!!!!!

the lesson? u have it everywhere ...................

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"Germans organize their thoughts better than you"

comment:

how you know?

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"Nationalistic bullshit only emerged within the conversation when you said this:"

comment: wrong, it already started with the way the thread poster expressed himself by using "WE AMERICANS"

quote: "Do we as Americans just do our best to ignore this fact when we see these situations in China, or is there something we can say?"

why using "we americans?" .............

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virgil w:

stop using drugs

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mini mugu:

funny picture. have to admit that 90% of group discussions at school and universities are bullshit. 2 of 10 people are doing the work, the rest is just sitting around and not productive (maybe not on elite universities and schools). is that good and fair?

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"on't you watch Fox News? The American "poors" (mostly non-white) all have refrigerators, flat screen TVs and X-Boxes while receiving free government money for having babies out of wedlock."

in your dream. at least it doesnt apply to people i know who told me different stories. so be more accurate and show up statistic or leave it.

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"How many countryside farmers with no electricity or running water, who can't even take showers are getting into Harvard?"

who can afford a universitiy in america? well, certainly not the poor guys!

You are so ignorant and factless, like most Americans, for that matter?? @Cherry Blossom have met every american in North America? Who are you to judge? That statement right there was quite ignorant don't you think? You can't dismiss a who;e nation based of off the idiots in office, or the few encounters you had when you came to America.

"But we in Europe know how ignorant Americans are when it comes to other cultures." How could Europeans possible know this?? Based off of those ignorant ass movies you see? Or the manipulated media posts? Considering the fact that America is a pot full of mixed cultures, how can everyone in America be ignorant??? If you have substantial proof to this please show me the statistics.

I know this is your opinion Cherry Blossom, but don't you think you sound kind of judgmental? These two comments bothered me a bit because it sounds so hateful. Yes there are a lot of ignorant, power hungry, greedy assholes in America, but don't forget that everyone is different. How do I know this? Because I am an american and I have the ability to see different perspectives.

This thread was an honest thought that showed sympathy as to how hard the Chinese work, and how life here can be difficult. He acknowledged his blessings, and praised China for what it's worth.

He also talked about how he like the culture and how he was learning about it. I don't see how he's a troll for this I'm sorry. Idk it's just my opinion as you are entitled to your @CherryBlossom :)

Plz look over the typos. I was multitasking haha

@ daniel_bock great points. Using "we americans" weren't the best context. People can take that the wrong way. I usually don't indulge in these discussions, but I found this one quite interesting. I could state more, but it's too much too type. lol

ROTFL:

"Don't you watch Fox News? The American "poors" (mostly non-white) all have refrigerators, flat screen TVs and X-Boxes while receiving free government money for having babies out of wedlock."

in your dream. at least it doesnt apply to people i know who told me different stories. so be more accurate and show up statistic or leave it.

But still...

same here. but some people are really ignorant or have a weird thinking pattern or their perception is bullshit or whatever that it is quite impossible no to shout: omfg, is he stupid.

applies to especially to theseguys discussing with cherry blossoms.

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sry, my english is bad, im a kraut :).

tv and fridge and water is western standard. true. but xbox or pc is not standard my friend ;).

Did you know that Fox news, (as well as all of the other media stations) manipulate everything you see to create a certain imagine??? lol That's why I personal hate our media. smh Refrigerators aren't that expensive and everyone don't have flat screens and x-boxs. That's a lie.

well, in europe we always learned to not fully believe tv news agency ;-). i dont accept this as a 100% prove.

in order to prove this fully u will have to ask every fuckin household but normaly these guys doin such surveys or investigations end up in asking 20.000 or 50.000 peeps which is not representative.[br]

Honey Mandy, there are exceptions to the rule everywhere. The thread poster's text sounded in a way sincere, but another way quite ignorant. If it weren't to be ignorant, then I obviously wouldn't have reacted that way.

And notice that I said ''most of the Americans''....MOST. Of course, U.S. is a meltingpot of cultures, but there is a certain ''atmosphere'' to it that no one can escape who goes there. When I traveled there, I also felt changed within, but I changed in a negative way.

I definitely can see a very obvious mentality difference when I talk to an American, and when I talk to...anyone else who isn't one. There is just this.....I don't know how to explain....but, a specific way of being, thinking and talking about Americans, that I generally find offensive and annoying. It's all well until it comes to comparison and national pride....That's where I just draw the line and say ''that's it, enough, get out of my face''.

Unfortunately, I see more who are overly patriotic, and patriotism usually makes one from slightly to very ignorant about other cultures. And, unfortunately again, I know more Americans who fit into the patriotic category than not. I personally don't believe in patriotism, and I mostly find it offensive, because it implies that you put your own culture on a pedestal while downgrading, indirectly, any other. I hate this kind of mentality ''them vs us''...''we we we''....Who is this ''we''? I hate favourism. Obviously, the truly intelligent, illuminated Americans who have traveled around and have a true understanding of the world, know better. And those are the Americans I respect....As a matter of fact, anyone who is like that I respect and actually look up to. It's okay to love your country, I love my country, too....But to look down on other countries, even if masked by a sympathetic, innocently sincere attitude, is something that gets to my nerves.

Daniel are you replying to me? :)

tv and fridge and water is western standard. true. but xbox or pc is not standard my friend ;).

According to a 2007 market report, roughly 78% of U.S. households have a computer.

72% of American households play computer or video games.

70+% seems pretty standard, my friend. Just stop while you're behind and admit you don't know shit.

70% of American households owned a car in 1927. How many centuries do you think until China hits 70% car ownership?

And what are you trying to prove, Skaught? That U.S. citizens own these goods and Chinese can't at the same rate....Okay, and, your point?

Sorry, Mandy, btw, if I offended you. Obviously, you seem to be a smart woman, so, you shouldn't worry about what I said if it doesn't apply to you.

hey mandy, check skaught that idiot.

my post was just referring to this specific issue about statstics and in the end he comes up with a comparison with china again although i didnt even talkabout that. ;)

thats what i meant with: applies to these dudes talking with cherry blossoms

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mr. skaught

first of all, this stastic number issue was referred to POOR people. your stastics is referred to general household second, numbers are relative and never fully representative since u never ask the whole population in a survey.

dont leave me alone with this bullshit and face it that u cant prove me anything in this issue. turn on your brain.

ehm i mean leave me alone with this shit ;)

@CherryBlossom thanks for helping me understand your view point better. And I must of misread when you said MOST. It just sucks that you didn't have a great experience with people from my country. :( I actually know what mentality your talking about. It's so annoying. But I'm not even gonna lie, a lot of the more fortune Americans are less humble. Well MOST of them are, not everyone. The humbled Americans, are the ones who usually have a more broadened perspective of things. They aren't as arrogant. Hopefully if you ever travel back to my country, you have a better social experience.

@daniel -- Good times, bro. [spoken with a Nigerian accent]

you to buddy ;)

Oh it's ok @CherryBlossom! :) And @Daniel_bock I definitely read it. haha

Mandy biggest trolls in here are Dando and Scott!, they think they are the kingpins of WEiBJ. The Dando gang disrespecting the Chinese by continually inflaming the forum. I totally agree with Cherry Blossom and Daniel and it is really good seeing the ladies having a voice in the forum.

Ohh boys something for you!

REAMED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ayiela:[br]

Ayiela this photo is hilarious!!! Girl Power!! =D

Oh wow really?? It's not cool to disrespect people. I mean what for? To stir up drama and get a high from the negativity?? I just don't get it. O.o

Mandy that is not drama! lol A person cannot respect shit? This little putty tat needs to make a point to these guys

hahahaha!! lol

Jerry Springer Uncut A good American Show 45 mins showing the USA at play!

9th Grade Whore This is Maury Povich

A man with AIDS infecting other people The Steve Wilko's Show

IS THIS IS CHINA'S FUTURE!

Skaught ~ Racist & Pervert you should be more concerned about not being a chick chick chicken!!!!!

Write a 100 times!

I Scott will not be a chicken and hide behind girls in taxi to save my ass being beaten! I Scott will not be a chicken and hide behind girls in taxi to save my ass being beaten! I Scott will not be a chicken and hide behind girls in taxi to save my ass being beaten I Scott will not be a chicken and hide behind girls in taxi to save my ass being beaten! I Scott will not be a chicken and hide behind girls in taxi to save my ass being beaten!

Only another 95 to write ya chicken shit!

Ayiela wrote: I Scott will not be a chicken and hide behind girls in taxi to save my ass being beaten!

Fuck off you prick!! That was mine!!!

Now you even plagiarize another´s troll work !!!

I definitely can see a very obvious mentality difference

You can see minds? Neat.

when I talk to an American, and when I talk to...anyone else who isn't one. There is just this.....I don't know how to explain....

I can, in one word. Let me help you: PREJUDICIAL.

but, a specific way of being, thinking and talking about Americans, that I generally find offensive and annoying. It's all well until it comes to comparison and national pride....That's where I just draw the line and say ''that's it, enough, get out of my face''.

(emphasis added)

Is it specific or is it general? Could you quote the OP and show us some specific examples of in-your-face American nationalism? I tend to be rather sensitive to such things, to the point where it makes me nauseous, and I honestly am not getting that vibe from the OP. Help me out, eh?

Use standard markdown please. It's not difficult.

You mind find arguing on the Internet to be much easier on the nerves if you took a sedative first. I hope you buy your sedatives from a German phamaceutical manufacturer and not an American one, because if the American one had a defect I would hate to have to apologize on behalf of American pharmaceutical companies.

ಠ_ರೃ (随便叫兽) -- Dude, go to bed already. You have no place in this discussion here, your time is up. Are you gonna nitpick everything I ever say just to twist my words? I noticed you're good at that, but seriously, you don't impress me with your sarcasm and superiority complex stemmed by an actual inferiority complex. The topic has gone over that point, and your reply style is getting old. I'm bored. Shut the fuck up and go to bed, seriously. You fuckin' troll. I know talking down on me makes you feel better about yourself, since you're probably not appreciated in real life, and talking to make yourself look smarter than others to make yourself look good is such an ego boost for you. You just don't have enough brain to comprehend my overall idea, as I briefly sketched it in one of my replies to Mandy....but your inferiority complex won't let you get over all the petty details that mean nothing, or randomly picking on me for pleasure alone...If that makes you feel smarter and better about yourself, good for you, at least you can achieve that much gratification in your miserable life. Now, take my advice and either go to bed or go choke on a dick. Gtfo.

And dude, you're the one who keeps going with this shit. Haven't you noticed that the topic is finished? Wtf do you want from me now? You're the one who keeps fueling this, you fuckin' lowass troll.

I'll repeat: Could you quote the OP and show us some specific examples of in-your-face American nationalism?

I'm really not feeling it. I asked nicely.

And please try to use paragraphs instead of massive blobs of text. It makes it easier to sort through the insults and find evidence of actual thought.

And please try to use paragraphs instead of massive blobs of text

yes sweinhund, please do it

Dude, go to bed already.

It was 8 am in China when I posted. When I went to bed around 2am, "both" of you were still trolling America for great justice.

Are you gonna nitpick everything I ever say just to twist my words?

Yep. And if you're patient I might show you more elegant ways of expressing hatred of my countrymen in my mother tongue. But if you don't believe in my capacity for incisive criticism of American culture, then consider my old man's maxim: "If you can't learn from the dumbest person in the room, then you are the dumbest person in the room."

Now I am nicely asking you to lay down on the couch and tell us exactly where Uncle Sam touched you. To be specific, I am looking for examples of in-your-face American nationalism in the OP.

Lay down on the couch. Take a Xanax. And show us on the doll.

And please use paragraphs and blockquotes. It's not hard. Even an American can do it.

Ayiela:

I Scott will not be a chicken and hide behind girls in taxi to save my ass being beaten!

ROTFL, you can't even read or comprehend a simple, straightforward story.

TIP: When you're at work plagiarizing, read your sources more carefully than you read what people write here.

Scott That was the basics of your story, you are a chicken shit and now a plagiarist! All of you copy and paste other people words and do not give he credits. I hear ya with you but but but!!!!!! Short and sweet you are all plagiarist chickens shits!

Nope. In the story I never "hid" behind anything and faced the guy the whole time, deflecting his kicks and punches while I watched the cops sit in their car and sip tea.

You're not even a native English speaker, are you? No wonder you try to impress people with plagiarism.

Your lastest version of you being a chicken shit is good but you know you sat in that taxi cowering?

Naa I aint English Champ! I loike ma oggies to much.

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Hahahahaha ... everyone, snake is considered evil ... right?

This madness!

I must say I didn't read shi*

deutsche bratwurst!

kindergarten!

I like that 凸ಠ_ರೃ凸 (随便叫兽) mostly replies to me. He must have started to like me. I'm flattered, but no thanks.

。。。

Hahahahaha ... the latest Cluedo question, did the Evil Queen kill Cherry Blossom?

Eeewww....she looks ew. Cherry moved to another thread.

As if you could handle it anyway; you're sexually diabetic so no chocolate for you. Stick to tree- sap!

Eeewww....she looks ew.

She's all eeewww that you still won't elaborate on the in-your-face American nationalism in the OP.

BTW your head of state looks like an elephant perineum and is named after a pubic wig, but it is considered rude and sexist to comment on such things when it is not relevant, or at least amusing.

Cherry moved to another thread.

But you didn't finish this one.

so you can go away from here......