Discussion » Current Events » USA & their Evil Hegemony (霸权)

  • Captain America
    Captain America wrote:

    Seriously, I never even heard this word before I came to China, but it seems like the #1 trait of America as taught in Chinese schools. Since your Chinese teachers aren't going to explain proper context, allow me to shed some light on the USA's hegemonistic tendencies from our point of view:

    1. While China steadfastly sticks to the principle that the leader of a sovereign nation has the right to do whatever he wants to his subjects, we do not believe in this. If a leader abuses his people, it is a moral obligation for those with the power to help the oppressed to do something about it.

    2. Before World War I, the United States generally minded their own business more. We joined the war to help allies in Europe, even though it was really none of our business, and plenty of people had a problem with this, but England and France were really happy about it. The debate over USA's involvement caused us to stay out of World War II as long as possible.

    3. After World War II, when the horrors were revealed, the American ideology shifted because we WISH we had HELPED earlier. Americans wish our soldiers had been in China in the 1930s fighting the Japanese. We wish our troops had gone to Europe earlier to save Jews from genocide. We wish we had been there in Nanjing to help you. From our point of view, *lack of hegemony* in the years immediately before 1942 cause incalculable damage on the world.

    4. We think the framework for our country is perfect. People and leaders are imperfect, but at least we can get rid of them when they suck. Virtually every American believes in the U.S. Constitution wholeheartedly. It's the oldest in the world. Since it was written in 1787, every developed country in the world has borrowed from it. You should too. China is an ancient country and America is new? If you want to measure a country's age by the duration of it's current political system, America is the OLDEST. China's most recent constitution was written in the 1980s and your leaders rarely even pay attention to it. We have a system of checks and balances, you don't. We have a very strong court system to protect rights, Chinese courts are infantile.

    So please, someone explain to me why American hegemony is so evil. Please try to do so without saying the word "oil." It's really rarely about that, and that's such an simplistic answer supplied by your Chinese teachers who really have little clue how international politics work. Americans really support interfering in foreign countries only to do GOOD.

  • A豆腐
    A豆腐 wrote:

    About 3. you seem forget that USA doesn't help or support comunist goverments. And then, maybe, If Americans had been in China in the 1930s fighting the Japanese, they would have been on the KMT side

    ---Americans really support interfering in foreign countries only to do GOOD-- Salvador Allende and others fellows from their tombs, thumbs up

  • Rebecca Arnesen

    only to do good haha

    nice trolling

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    "Seriously, I never even heard this word before I came to China"

    Why does that not surprise me?

  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:

    Then do you really think the US is helping Iraq and Afghanistan?? Or killing and invading there??

  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:

    LMHO!!!! Seriously!

  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:

    "We think the framework for our country is perfect."

    !!

    No body is trying to stop you thinking that way. But I dont understand why others have to borrow it????I m bloody confused!  U think it this way, it doesnt mean others have to think  the same way! Is that a common sense??

  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:

    I'm really not so sure whether there are many so called dictatos are killing people, or the US army is killing people everywhere!

    Iraqi civilian casualty is 100 thousand according to the US; 600 thousand according to wikipedia.

    Who killed them??? themselves??? the ghost of saddam??Or the American ????

     

    Only do the GOOD!! Nice!

  • Da Fan
    Da Fan wrote:

    OP's input reminds me of several conversations between me and my non-redneck American friends.

    My Question: do u believe the US framework is the best?

    A: sure, because !@$#@

    Q: so do you think it's a good thing that China adopt a similar framework?

    A: of course!

    Q: so you are willing to see a friendly democratic China as democratic as the US?

    A: ahh, yeah, why u are asking?

    Q: so there is no political or ideological hampers for China's cultural, educational and economical growth?

    A: I think so...

    Q: so for a country like China, do you aware that the even if the GDP per capita reached the less than one fourth of that of the US, the total output of China will be larger?

    A: umm...Yeah, I read it from magazine, it's gonna happen.

    Q: and it's very likely that the GDP per capita can reach the level of the US, then the total output will be 4-5 times of that of the US, while tech level is at least the same. Is it a good thing?

    A: ummm...

    Q: then should China build a huge military force?

    A: hey, why do you want to do so? Don't assume that we are friendly?

    Q: of course we are friendly. but you know, if China's total output is 4-5 times of the US, and China is a democratic country as you like, isn't it reasonable that China's gonna take the role to protect the whole world?

    A: well, maybe we can cooperate at that time

    Q: sure, we need cooperation. Since the US is weaker, China leads, you follow.

    A: ......

    Q: are you happy to see this happen?

    A:......

    Hilarious huh?

  • Da Fan
    Da Fan wrote:

    Actually the funny conversation went on:

    Q: Well, another question, do you think the political frameworks of the US and China will be exactly the same at the time the GDP per capita is the same?

    A: Well, I'll say generally they should be same, but differences exist.

    Q: No, it's not "differences", it's your fault

    A: hey! why?

    Q: because it's difference from the framework of China.

    A: but why it's our fault not yours?!

    Q: because our framework is the best, all our citizens wholeheartedly believe so.

    A: ^$##%#@

    Q: and just a warning, if the differences is too big, or we think it's too big, we will claim that the US government is evil. But don't worry, we will send troop to help you guys out of your evil government. Of course, our bombs may not that advanced, so...

    A: ......

  • Da Fan
    Da Fan wrote:

    OK, here is the conclusion: I'm not satisfied with the "framework" of China, that's for sure. But, as for the US, if most of the US citizens think that "We think the framework for our country is perfect", this country will always be a evil country just for such a way of thinking. No one know who's gonna rule the world in the future, and what kind of ruling style it gonna be. I wish it's a bunch of countries instead of a single one, and I wish they wholeheartedly believe the ongoing framework is NOT perfect and always need mutual understanding and improvement.

     

  • Da Fan
    Da Fan wrote:

    one more thing to put here: of course we can discussion if the US "Hegemony" is good or bad years ago. We can discuss it now too, but we need to discuss another thing before the discuss: if the US is ABLE to do the old job now?

    I don't know what your educational background is, so I won't say too much here, but just put some key words: the big "pie" - military, pension, insurance, T-bond interest, gov spending; material of the big "pie" - never growing taxation revenue, newly issued T-bond; US industrial output; US export vs. import; unemployment rate; comsumption portion in GDP; depreciation of currency; Bretton Woods System...

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Democratic socialism with Chinese characteristics?

  • Da Fan
    Da Fan wrote:

    You mean the framework I can hardly believe in? I don't know what is it actually~

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Eh. Me neither. I prefer "socialism with anarchist tendencies".

    And by the way, OP, any American who says our framework is perfect has clearly never taken a comparative political science class, or paid much attention during the 2000 elections.

  • Da Fan
    Da Fan wrote:

    "socialism with anarchist tendencies"

    exactly what I want.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Sane people do. They just disagree on the methods and terminology.

  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:

    这个帖子需要顶哈哈

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    You fiendish necromancer.

  • High Priest
    High Priest wrote:
    I wonder how much our fellow Capitain America aka Scott is getting paid.
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    > I have no fucking idea how the electoral college works and I think democracy means "rule by the 50.000001%"

    You've never seen a parliamentary governed by coalition, have you?

    > Media scoundrels don’t explain.

    Civics flunkies don't learn!

    There, there. That's okay. You're not completely stupid. It's quite confusing to 'Murrikans, too, and maybe even as convoluted and murky as the process of provincial people's congresses electing deputies to the National People's Congress, who in turn elect the Chinese president. Representative democracy is an indirect and nominal expression thereof.

    America clings to its most ancient form of protodemocracy because of conservative traditionalism and vain thinking that if it ain't broken it don't need fixin'. And aside from gun crime and post-9/11 hysteria, American security is remarkably resilient. America isn't on the verge of being broken (or even broke, because what bank is going to foreclose on a goddamned bunker?) So America sells its surfeit of security, i.e. guns and bombs and angry young men. Because there will always be buyers. There's a powerful and vocal minority in every country still calling the shots, still buying war and English lessons and that's why the world is still blighted by this pox americana of military bases to contain any number of inchoate threats and those circumcised cocks everyone finds so suckable.

    Remember, American hegemony continues to exist because the rest of the world isn't democratic enough to oust their own oligarchs. And even when they do, it's more often than not through the construction of a national or religious identity which alienates them from the Americans who would want to do the same thing in their own twisted country.

    So, good luck finding anything resembling morality in any examination of the geopolitical order, you bunch of fucking ingrates.
    America has had enough of your shit and for the rest of the day you can find America in America's room, jacking off to Japanese porn cartoons.
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Always. Slapping my dick while staring at animated muff mosaics is all I think about when I'm cuddling in the spoon position with mai waifu.

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