I don't see any difference between fate and destiny...
I guess fate is kinda negative word, destiny is somehow positive?...hehe...
" Two different directions have been taken to
answer the question of how the original act and
subsequent environmental effects are related. The
commonly held view takes the relation to be natural;
less frequent is the appeal to the supernatural. If
they are related naturally, then either (1) there is
a causal chain (either direct or mediated through a
pool of karmic residues) outside of the agent, from
the environmental effects immediately brought about
by the original act to the environment which
produces his future painful or pleasant experiences,
or else (2) the connection is made through the
effects made on the agent himself, which in turn
produce relevant changes in the environment in
subsequent lives. To put it another way, understood
naturalistically, there is a causal chain between
the karmic acts and the things which produce
pleasure and pain which either (1) lies outside the
individual person, in the
above quote is from"Karma, causation, and divine intervention"
as for the "forgot brush teeth" guy I think the causation might fit him more instead of Karma,what do u say,Lee?
the relation of cause and effects is the way that we think the world, nobody can turn off that fact, and nobody can imagine something without a cause. The differences are how you represent the principle of sufficient reason:
when the causes that rule the world are by a intelligence (god, spirits, ...) then destiny
when the causes that rule the world are by a blind force (natural laws, moiras, collisions of atoms.....)
Karma. I don't care for the supernatural aspects of Buddhist phenomenology, but one needn't believe in reincarnation to accept this as a fundamental truth of our social reality.
When a bitch calls a promiscuous woman a slut or a whore, her conviction dooms herself to a life of sub-optimal dickings, or her hypocrisy dooms her to a prison of her own guilt.
It's really too bad that Buddhism in the East and West has drifted toward shallow dogmatism and superstition of a religion, while the very rational and even protoscientific aspects are merely subjects of mere academic curiosity. It's not so different from Western religions in its deviations from its rational origins.
TO make it simple, I do somehow believe in Karma. What we sow is what we reap more often. If you sow peanuts, you're not gonna harvest bananas. You sow the wind, you reap storm.Our actions brings effects. You get fucked too much, you get pregnanted. You fuck too many people from Wlib, you get screwed, and you become nymphomaniac till you pass your prime time...
Destiny is in everyone's hands, you can change it, you just need the willingness, if u like.
I wish life is as predictable as your example.
For me It's about choices. Either way you have to live on with the consequences.
And choice-making involves complicated mind activities and not to mention the doings it might lead to. All above for me are not foreseen, it's like a dynamic chain that I can never see a start point or an end.
So in the hypothetical story you were giving that morning you didn't brush your teeth can't be a beginning, on the contrary it might be a result of many previous things. 报应，缘分，命运，These three words are just so determined ..and fatalist ...I don't think there exsists a magic word for our ongoing life. Though I hope that's a good thing..:)
Sorry. That was rude. You guys dropped my name and I didn't even answer your question 'cuz I went off on a tangential rant. My bad.
What Lee was talking about is indeed called the butterfly effect or chaos theory. SereneT is also correct, though. In Buddhist phenomenalist philosophy, karma is just causality. It's silly ethnocentric Westerners who interpret Buddhism through a Christian lens who have turned it into something synonymous with divine retribution.
When a bitch calls a promiscuous woman a slut or a whore, her conviction dooms her to a life of sub-optimal dickings, or her hypocrisy dooms her to a prison of guilt.
-this is Karma?
Or the wishful thinking of a do-gooder that the do-badders will get their just deserts in the end, or, in other words...divine retribution? It seems not only silly ethnocentric Westerners look through the Christian lens...unless...wait, where u from?
You do realize that the ethnocentric Westerners I was talking about were the hippies you malign so much, right? They're are largely responsible for taking a somewhat rational philosophy and turning it into an alternative religion, although the Pure Land stuff that's popular in China has its fair share of dogma and superstition.
Preachy people get reputations for being uptight and therefore miss out on a lot of fun, or they do one thing and say another, but that duplicity carries with it a mess of complications that are in no way supernatural. Individual and collective actions have consequences. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication.
Hippies? So? Malign them one day, defend them the next. No foolish consistency here.
Preachy people? You can say 'dicking' and 'whore' and still be a quaker, bro.
No doubt. Nixon was a Quaker, and he had quite the pottymouth.
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Karma excist. Destiny, hmmm, not really
Hoot, what we sow is what we reap. U fuck too much, you get prostat, too much mushrooms, cancer and trauma, u help today, tomorrow u get helped. U kill, and u shall be killed...
Who are so smart ones? I guess they are those who are more careful with what they are doing
Well, Scot, sometime we get confused, we see evil people living till old ages. Gadhafi can tell us more, Mobutu, one of the evil dictators in the world, Napoleon. Let us not just look at those big names, but in our daily lives, we can see that our actions can yield outcomes. It's not like an absolute thing though
You're talking about cartoon karma where it's synonymous with divine retribution.
Karma IS WHY there is so much injustice in the world.