Discussion » Technology » Should 百度 be blocked?

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    <p>"The US has put China's top search engine Baidu on a list of "notorious markets" for counterfeit and pirated goods....<br />...In its bid to protect American businesses against piracy, the US Chamber of Commerce has urged the government to block foreign websites that sell illegal goods from operating in the US."</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12605067">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12605067</a></p> <p>We all know that China blocks foreign websites that oppose its economic interests. Should the U.S. follow suit? I don't really like the idea of retaliatory censorship, but I think it would be great if the U.S. blocked the import of Chinese goods in protest.</p>
  • Simen Wangberg

    Hmmm. 有意思. I dunno, I don't think blocking 百度 would actually do much harm to the company or to China's economy as a whole, but as a symbolic gesture it would be amusing. I mean, it would be like when Google got their shit ruined over here, it didn't matter much cos they didn't command very much market share anyway.

    Blocking imports would be more effective...but also probably more unlikely. 'mericans love their Everyday Low Prices.

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:

    Blocking it would surely do nothing to affect Baidu's business: I think it would just make the U.S. look hypocritical. Actually, one of my laptops has some virus or anti-virus software on it that prevents me from navigating to Baidu.com, and I never could figure out what does it or how to remove it. Even living in China I didn't care much though.

    I do think it would be hilarious if the U.S. put all our companies out of business by making them close their Chinese factories though. It would probably be good for the majority of people in both countries, actually.

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    Hahahahahaha ... in terms of finance, would it affect its share price, as it is listed on NASDAQ?

  • CR
    CR wrote:

    baidu, taobao, silk street, zhongguancun, verycd emule...these should and will go down one by one, if china is serious about protecting intellectual property when it joined the WTO....however, protecting intellectual property is not just about hiding the dirty business away.. 

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:

    Charlotte, no one seems to actually care about China not protecting intellectual property. I doubt any of those things will disapear until China starts having it's own copyable IP. Do the sell fake 愛國者 and 聯想 products in China?

  • CR
    CR wrote:

    莫明其妙,no one really cares, no one, if u mean Chinese, that's because all they care about is houses and cars for now, if you mean the west especially america, that's because they are pussies. Between standing on moral high ground and choice to buy cheap fake pirated products to save money, they choose the latter. Instead, the right way to do it, is to stop buying them and start buying the real stuff. 

    I agree that any of those things will totally disappear if China really works its ass off enforcing the law...however, if they have the power to let people disappear if there's a slightest sign that they are plotting to overthrow the gov, such as Falungong, how hard it is to make fake products disappear from the market? 

     

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:

    I don't question that China has the ability to restrict counterfeiting, I'm just curious if they do it when it affects Chinese businesses. 聯想 is state invested - is it possible to buy a fake laptop?

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    China could turn its lax stance toward intellectual property law enforcement into an advantage if it just put its weight behind developing free and open source software. Really, this country is in a unique position to say FUCK YOU to the rest of the world and seize control of the computing industry, but it won't happen because it would require things like initiative and transparency.

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:

    *raises hand*

    Mr. Dando, I have a question: how does developing free open source software make me rich?

  • 外交猫
    外交猫 wrote:

    Blocking Baidu's website inside the US is out of the question.  The US government should never be in the business of restricting access to anyone's URL for any reason.  If it were up to me they shouldn't even have the capability of doing such a thing.

    However, if it comes to restricting Baidu's business operations inside the US, access to American financial transaction services, listings on US stock exchanges, forming a physical presence inside the US....these things are perhaps reasonable to consider.

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:

    Scott, you don't think it's out of economic interests when China creades xiaonei or youku and then blocks the foreign equivalent sites? The reason youtube was supposedly blocked was the video of police from a certain country killing someone who was an ethnic minority in that country. But, that video was always freely available from the BBC, and was never blocked at the source, just on youtube.

    How about the first time China blocked Google? I don't remember exactly when, either 2008 or 2009. The reason given was that Google was encouraging pornographic results, but then it was revealed that the search results were intentionally manipulated by China throwing millions of hits at a particular phrase.

    I agree China also has a political motive, but it seems the blocks are largely economic.

    Oh yeah, the Chinese entertainment industry makes huge bucks. They just have a different business model. Instead of charging 150 RMB for a CD, they charge 1000 RMB for concert seats. Sure there's no DVD sales, but there are exhorbitantly priced theater tickets. And don't forget all the ad revenue from Baidu that gets redistributed to the artists.

  • Saint - Spartacus

    i can't see any use to block BaiDu

    youku have the most great chinese movies and u can't find it in youtube, that's another problem why people outside china hard to have reception about the real chinese culture & movies & TV series, as youtube vote with facebook , youku vote with renren etc ...

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Minger, It doesn't get you rich; it just fucks with lame software manufacturers. Already being the leading producer of the rest of the world's hardware components is what makes you rich. Not allowing a lame-assed software company like Microsoft to indirectly dictate how your hardware should be produced and no longer charging users an extra $200 for each license of their shitty OS is what makes you rich. Netbooks would be everywhere right now, but most people had to wait until Win7 before they would be viable.

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:

    @Scott, I couldn't read that cable - wikileaks was blocked. xixi.
    There are definitely a lot of sites that are blocked only for fucktarded political reasons, but it's not like there was ever a problem blocking all the results them wanted on google. Just trying to get directions to Tean Ahn Min on google maps mysteriously reset my connection on a regular basis. On Wikipedia, only a certain selection of pages are blocked (I know it used to be the whole thing, but they got better at it).
    Also, there is a list of objectionable material, which occasionally gets published. Normally only the higher-ups in the media outlets have it.

    @Dando, I thought computer hardware was so much cheaper in the US than in China because Microsoft was subsidizing the cost of Windows computers, thereby creating a market for their software. Since no one in China pays for software, they charge more for the hardware. But I digress. My point was, I don't care about anything that doesn't make me rich. Except for things that make me look rich.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Minger, They who?

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Minger,

    Microsoft subsidizes computer retailers, not manufacturers. And that's only if they deny consumers the option of buying the thing without their shitty OS.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Anyway, I digress.

    If anyone will block Baidu in the US, it will be antivirus and security software. The US government won't do it. The ACLU and EFF and angry geeks would be even deeper up their asses than they already have been over wiretapping and net neutrality.

  • Person
    Person wrote:

    wow... I am surprised I really don't care

  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)

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    Hahahahaha ... Pearl, right? Strange name for a guy, and thanks for visiting my profile earlier :)

    As much as I have my opinion against USA, I dont want, and also dont believe that, it will be torn into pieces, such talk is just too "binny" ... if any doubt, I will refer you to those (Chinese) "Katers" who cheered for the recent disasters in Japan, and if you might have noticed, the economic "tsunami" is now starting to build strength, or might even have arrived ...

    It is, sadly, a very Chinese way to block "damaging materials" with the hope to cleanse the minds of Chinese, there is an old Cantonese slang “斩脚趾,避沙虫”, or roughly translated "one cuts off the toes to avoid the sand worm" ... instead, I strongly believe that the government should be teaching and warning the people the "wrong" of these, and by the way, I think porn is absolutely not wrong at all ...

    ... anyway ... "information blocking" will work only if the people remains to be contained in the "knowledge bubble", otherwise, when they are put into the “real world", they would be unable to process the information, or might even abuse it, which seemed to be one factor behind the damage 22 years ago ...

    So ... I agree that "blocking" is more a business or economic thing, instead of political or "for the good of the general population" ...

  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:

    " fucking,cruel,shameless,bloody America "

    ??

    R u trying to say America or American?

    BTW bloody is cute word……"cruel,shameless" oh yeah , for sure!!!

    The only one has been creating wars all over the world after WW II ……

    hahah

  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:

    Oh sorry, out of topic,

    I reckon the US Gov might block Baidu……because most time they do whatever they wanna do!!! Hang on, but baidu is not Gaddafi, baidu doesnt have Oil, doesnt buy weapon from Russia^…… ! Does the US really care about who the hell baidu is???  Noo, then baidu is safe !!!

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