Discussion » Chinese Language & Culture » Power worship permeates elementary schools

  • A.w
    A.w wrote:
    <p>We see the truth when we are young, and then we learn how to deal with!&nbsp;</p> <p>Chinese education is the best!</p> <p>&ldquo;I volunteered to be a student cadre, for steeling myself,&rdquo; she said. Chen Fei (Pseudonym), a student without any title in the class, said, &ldquo;Some student cadres are really powerful. When the teacher is away, the class monitor and the one on duty can put down the name of any classmate that plays little tricks and later ask the teacher to hand out punishment.&rdquo; Quite a number of students interviewed said they covet the powers one can get after becoming a student cadre, including assigning duties and tasks and punishing classmates at will."</p> <p>in China, official rank is considered to be the sole criterion of one&rsquo;s social worth, and that instead of public servants courting people&rsquo;s votes and catering to people&rsquo;s needs, Chinese cadres are admittedly superior than the masses and enjoy privileges that appeal to everyone.</p> <p><img src="http://www.ministryoftofu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/vote.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="258" /></p> <p><img src="http://www.ministryoftofu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/cadre03_thumb.jpg" alt="" width="274" height="242" /></p> <p><img src="http://www.ministryoftofu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/cadre_thumb.jpg" alt="" width="544" height="470" /></p>
  • A豆腐
    A豆腐 wrote:

    educate in neurotic need to assert authority  ohhhhhh!!!! que difícil saber luego donde acabará su lengua y donde empezará el culo del gobierno, futuros lameculos

     

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Wanna reconsider your phrasing, Andy?

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    'Cuz that was like a perfect storm of obnoxiously juvenile sexism and nationalism.

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:

    Andy, I think our dearest Ami isn't interested in being your sweetheart. China is great at humiliating itself without any help from any of us.

  • Ms. Stephanie
    Ms. Stephanie wrote:

    The truth is ... Ami is far far away in SF... so she doesn't care... 55555.....

  • A豆腐
    A豆腐 wrote:

    when you stop consider country and goverment as the same thing, the world seems a less shabi. if you break the trinity goverment-country-people, you can have reasonable conversations about political-cultural-social issues.

    阿姆雷特 , hahaha, mierda and joder, the 基本功 in spanish bad language

  • A豆腐
    A豆腐 wrote:

    another brick in the wall

  • Rebecca Arnesen

    Andy, poor old you, and your country. Must be tough. People say them bad things and they're all untrue and stuff. I'm welling up now...

    Thankfully as a brit of course there is NOTHING bad to say about my country, even if you try to make it up it's impossible. 

  • A豆腐
    A豆腐 wrote:

    what do you think will happen if you leave the kids alone??? That happend in the school of yasnaia poliana by Tolstoi or Summerhill in England...  nobody died, nobody become a barbarian....even they learnt without punishments :O

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Andy,

    So you disagree with the OP. That's fine.

    But that's no reason to so arrogantly condescend (calling her sweetheart, like she's a child), and accuse her of "humiliating" China just because she's pointing out something she thinks is wrong within the educational establishment.

    Maintaining a civilized and respectful discourse is your responsibility, too. And if you don't think there's anything wrong with what you said, then the gloves are off, fuckhead.

    I think people like you are what's wrong with China, no, the world. When you disagree with someone's well-intentioned efforts to reform some aspect of society, you would arrogantly act as though you speak on behalf of the People and the Party, and denounce reformers as being anti-China. This phenomenon isn't unique to China. We have the same narrow-minded morons in the US. People like me who criticize religion or foreign policy are constantly being called traitors or insufficiently American.

    And now you're taking a page out of the American Family Values playbook with your "think of the children" pandering. It's ridiculous to conflate a school-sanctioned popularity contest with democracy. Cadre brats aren't legislators. They're like capos in a concentration camp, or trustees in a prison. They don't have any real power over their lives, just power over their fellow students.

    "A child behaves badly when guests are present will not get candy"

    Honestly, I'm not surprised you were a member of a student cadre, because you seem to be the sort of sycophantic apple-polishing asshole who only behaves like a nice little boy in front of the teacher in anticipation of sweet rewards. Grow up.

  • Shane
    Shane wrote:

    I hate narcs.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Way to take the high road, Ami. I couldn't be so gentle.

  • Ms. Stephanie
    Ms. Stephanie wrote:

    BTW, Ami, 我可是开玩笑哦。。。 我才真是爱怎么样怎么样呢。。。lol。。。

  • Ms. Stephanie
    Ms. Stephanie wrote:

    我啊,今儿上午有一个workshop要讲,终于successfully delivered .... huge relief

  • Ms. Stephanie
    Ms. Stephanie wrote:

    哈哈哈。。。没事儿。。。 回想我那会儿都是赶鸭子上架,但是结果还是不错的。。加油加油。。。

  • Ms. Stephanie
    Ms. Stephanie wrote:

    说不定我哪天就继续学习了,等我去三藩市找您去。。。

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Ami, My ma and my grandma are both a couple of ball-busting feminists who don't put up with that kind of shit and would delight in the opportunity to tear any dude a new asshole for being so disrespectful. But it ain't my place to say how women ought to act or which way is better. I'm sure you can fight your own battles.

  • Ms. Stephanie
    Ms. Stephanie wrote:

    Dando, why you change your screen pic so often lately?  I think Jesus one suits you better.. or the one from siif? lol...

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Andy,

    "I did not relate the fukcing politics to the education from the very beginning."

    Then what the hell is this?

    "Let them have democracy, even Chinese-characterized one. Bad democracy is still democracy. At least they are fucking beginning to seek democracy."

    My point still stands. You implied that voting for class leaders was a form of limited democracy. I don't think you understand the meaning of the word.

    "I rechecked my words and failed to see any condescending words."

    You fail to see beyond your own nose. Didn't I spell it out for you? Do you think you would be so well-received if you called her xiaomei or qinaide while ignoring everything she said and accusing her of humiliating herself and her country and comparing her well-reasoned post as akin to a child misbehaving?

    So I suppose you're merely a well-intentioned yet severely mentally impaired individual and not a fuckhead or an asshole. Oops. My mistake. Please accept my most sincere and humble apologies.

    I did not know that you had such a condition. I stand corrected. You're a little miracle. It's amazing that you are able to operate a computer, let alone use the bathroom by yourself or breathe without choking on your own tongue. Yours truly is an inspirational tale of triumph over adversity.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Ami, You were joking? Gee, and I thought you were being unduly polite to him. Maybe I'm just too dull to notice when someone is being sharp in Chinese.

    I believe that 48% of kids say they want to be in leadership positions because they want to do good things for others. But do we believe this when adults say it? And should we believe it when kids say it? Kids aren't so innocent. They're really quite cunning.

    Anyway, the only truly intelligent and cunning people in China are children. But they bust their asses so hard trying to get a satisfactory sjust drift through higher learning.core on the gaokao that by the time they're in university, the "best and brightest" are so burnt out that they just drift through higher learning.

    Or if they fuck up on the gaokao, their parents send them to me for magic English pills to pass the TOEFL or IELTS tests.

    In any case, we have student council elections in America, too, but we don't take them seriously at all, because we know that students don't have the power to change anything that actually matters to them. I was a Senator in my uni's Student Government Association. It was a joke.

    We had one resolution to approve the construction of a campus memorial monument for dead students. Not for any specific dead students, mind you. Not to memorialize any particular tragedy, either. So it was basically just a worthless piece of concrete for the administrators to take pictures of for PR purposes. In other words, an utter waste of our tuition money.

    When I and a few other Senators questioned this, the old guard got upset and said, "You know, the administrators have already decided to do this. We can't change anything." Fuck my life!

    I tried to introduce a piece of legislation recognizing a registered student organization for its work in defending the human rights of migrant farm workers and they wouldn't have any part of it. Worthless fuckers weren't even interested in politics, just in having the words "Senator, Student Government Association" on their CVs. And I guess I was just the same, too, 'cuz I could have done a lot more than that.

    Actually, if I could go back, I'd have tried to pass a resolution to have the ROTC and military recruiters kicked off campus for violating my university's anti-discrimination policy (gay people couldn't openly serve in the military back then, after all).

    And that's why I'm an Internet troll now, because I missed so many opportunities to cause trouble when I was younger.

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    Fuck. What happened? I meant to say:

    "Anyway, the only truly intelligent and cunning people in China are children. But they bust their asses so hard trying to get a satisfactory score on the gaokao that by the time they're in university, the "best and brightest" are so burnt out that they just drift through higher learning."

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    "- Alas, forgive my silliness for confusing a smart guy like you. Please allow me to say it again for your reference: "I did not relate the fukcing politics to the education FROM THE VERY BEGINNING."  That thought never crossed my mind until Adolfo mentioned it."

    Then you meant "at first." And why should it matter to me when you got the idea? Moreover, you made nationalism an issue FROM THE VERY BEGINNING with the comment about humiliating China. Maybe it's crude of me to equivocate nationalism with politics, but it's not nearly as crude as your equivocation of voting and democracy. More on that later.

    "- Holy shit. I do not see why you are stil obsessed with this after my clarifications on the sweetheart and humiliation stuff. Ami knows it, go ask for it."

    You didn't clarify anything. You stubbornly refused to admit that you spoke condescendingly, and only offered a contingent apology "if anyone thought it was offensive to Ami". Shit. I can't speak on behalf of all or any women, but I think what you said was more than offensive to just Ami. If you clarified anything, it is that you don't think there's anything wrong with addressing women as adorable inferiors.

    I don't think apologies matter if you don't understand what you did wrong. And just because Ami decided to take the high road and ignore it doesn't mean you're innocent. That was TWICE you said you reconsidered what you'd said, and you still didn't understand what's wrong with it. I'm only being persistent because you keep calling me teacher and you clearly haven't yet learned your lesson.

    "- I was not implying. I was clearly saying that voting which may be distorted and have lights ways away from democracy shouldn't be discouraged . Rome was not built in one day, so is democracy in such a country like China. "

    Then you're clearly equivocating voting with democracy, which is absolutely ridiculous--again, you clearly don't understand the meaning of the word "democracy". There's nothing innately democratic about voting. Even autocrats frequently permit their subjects to vote, but with hard limits on who and what they may vote for.

    If the elected representatives have no ability to create or implement laws, then there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING democratic about the process! You're not talking about "bad" or "limited" democracy. It's the illusion of democratic choices. It's non-democracy. It's just a meaningless popularity contest. And it's the wrong lesson to teach elementary students.

    If students elected union representatives who were independent from the school administration, that would be democratic. But nobody allows students to do this, even in the universities of many so-called democratic societies!

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:

    @Ami, Honestly, I thought this was a common DAILY activity in Chinese elementary schools ALREADY. Then again, from the pictures it seems a bit more complex than the flag-hoistings I've seen.

    When I was growing up, we had to put our hands over our hearts and recite the Pledge of Allegiance every morning to the US flag hanging in the corner of the room behind the teacher. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    A little-known fact: "under God" was added to the pledge during the 1950s because of the Cold War, as if to prove to those godless commies that we had divine sanction and moral superiority.

    But yeah, I get what's wrong with this elaborate flag-raising ceremony. It's a dreadful waste of time. When I was growing up I abhored when classes were cancelled for mandatory football pep-rallies, where the students were rounded up to sit in the gymnasium while the school band and cheerleading squad would try to get us excited about the big football game our team would inevitably lose. Hurrah!

    And that's why I still hate sports, because I always saw it as getting in the way of more important shit. I think a lot of Chinese kids will develop the same regard for these pointless displays of nationalism.

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