Discussion » Music » gothic and death rock

  • De Keyser Laetitia
    De Keyser Laetitia wrote:

    Hello,

     

    I am fan of gothic music and I am looking for a place where there is some concerts or where we can dance on this kind of music.

    My favorite groups are : Diary of dreams, Depeche Mode, Cla of Xymox, Lycia, In my rosary, Moonspell, Pink turns blue, Violet Stigmata, The Chameleons,...

     

     

  • Simen Wangberg

    Heh, yeah. Not a ton of that kinda music in Beijing, but there might be some. I honestly can't think of a single local band that would fall into this particular category, but if there are any, they probably play at 13 Club (maybe?)

    It's more likely that there might be some DJs that spin goth stuff, but I can't think of anyone specific, nor do I know where they would be most likely to play.

  • Pete DeMola
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  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    well, David, they are talking about gothic and death rock (death rock has been another old term for what is later known as gothic, it has nothing to do with death metal).

     

    Just follow these two links to see what we have listed as Industrial or gothich bands:

    http://wiki.rockinchina.com/index.php?title=Category:Industrial_Artists

    http://wiki.rockinchina.com/index.php?title=Category:Gothic_Artists

  • Simen Wangberg

    "(death rock has been another old term for what is later known as gothic, it has nothing to do with death metal)"

    Yeah, I think that's an important distinction to make actually. There aren't actually a lot of "pure" industrial/EBM/Darkwave/etc kinda acts in Beijing, to my knowledge. Fallinsex are a close call though, from the sounds of it.

     

  • Daniel
    Daniel wrote:

    I'm not hugely bothered about the lack of a decent goth-club in Beijing, but if you do find somewhere that caters to this sort of music taste(Anything from Sisters to Combichrist, really), could you put post it up here? I'd be very enthusiastic about making the effort to come to Beijing for a night like this.

  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    if you look up online or how it goes merchandises/wear stuff, it seems there are so many ppl into gothic stuff but still, nobody has come up with a gothic styled club/bar yet, let alone a livehouse sort of thing.

    Of course, there is also a different interpretation of what gothic may be under the influence of the Japanse gothic scene, instead of vampires you will meet a mix of lolita and victorian housemaid. LOL

  • Simen Wangberg

    "...instead of vampires you will meet a mix of lolita and victorian housemaid."

    I dunno, I don't think they're really into the lolita stuff here. From what I've seen by pictures of the bands that play in that scene, the goth kids over here largely resemble their Western counterparts. Of course, I could be wrong about that, since as you said, there's no real place that's dedicated for these folks to hang out at.

  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    yeah, i know, what i ment was that there are different meanings behind the term gothic and a small part (rather in Shanghai) of the gothic scene are into that cute manga cosplay kind of J-goth stuff. That has nothing to do with the gothic culture.

  • Simen Wangberg

    Ah I see, I didn't know the goth folks down in Shanghai were into that, that's interesting. Some of the Japanese stuff is pretty elaborate, I think it's sort of impressive? Hah.

    Anyway, I dunno man, I'd argue the fashion is actually a pretty significant part of it, especially in the Japanese goth scene, where it's so fractured. I don't think the Western scene has that as much, although I guess there's like...traditional goths, Neo-goths, rivetheads, etc.

    In any case, they all look pretty goddamn goofy.

  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    haha, in German, we call them "Grufties" LOL but about the point speaking of fashion, yeah totally agree

    i was actually a bit shocked as i first realized that most goths are christians. And also funny is how the term "Gothic" (= horror like what the Vandals stands for vandalism, the goths invaded the civilized world of late Rome Empire, as well) has turned into something that rather comes in a somewhat beautifully dark mystery.

  • Pete DeMola
  • Daniel
    Daniel wrote:

    Clearing stuff up:

    The Goth subculture followed a bit more of a complicated trajectory than what linking it to the vizigoths suggests. If anything, it goes something like 'historical race>18th century literature> 80s goth culture. Musically it has more roots in Punk Rock but one of the watershed moments was Bauhaus's first single 'Bella Lugosi's Dead' (Bella Lugosi being the actor that famously played Dracula in the 1931 production) which ties the genesis of the sub-culture to the gothic literary genre of the 18th and 19th century.

    Type-wise, there's a pretty big distinction between trad-goths(most likely to listen to 80s death-rock/darkwave),, cyber-goths(most likely to listen to industrial/EBM/Noize and dress in bright and shiny colourns) and then young teenagers just getting into the alternative thing(most likely to listen to commercial metal and well-known bands). In the UK, most major cities have clubs that cater to each of these groups and I would be surprised if that wasn't the case in other Western European countries or the U.S.

     

  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    since the mid 90's, the music of the gothic genre are pretty heavy loaded with metal sound and shape. And also under the influence of gothic, a lot metal bands also went gothic style which is being refered as gothic metal (not much to do with trad. goth) where they also include elements of the classical music such as opera, baroguesque riff structure and symphonic keybaord samples.

  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    and the latest appearence of a goth like look and feel seems to have found a new playground among emo kids, if i m not taking it wrongly ...

  • Simen Wangberg

    What is this, Gothipedia? I guess it's kind of my doing anyway. Uhhh Hail Satan.

  • Daniel
    Daniel wrote:

    Satanists are more likely to be Death or Black Metallers, to be fair :P

  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    before the Gothipedia soup gets cold i just want to add that sex is als an centural topic of the gothic genre.

    and about satanism, trad. satanism is sadly enough found on the mythology of christianity and neo-satanism is basically an egocentric way of naturalism ;)

    back to the main topic, if you like to know what the lates goth-related kids in China do, here are few links:

    Interesting:

    Silent Resentment: http://www.myspace.cn/silentresentment

    S.I.N.: http://www.myspace.cn/sorrowfulisolatednight

    Manas: http://www.douban.com/artist/manas/

    Perfect Murder: http://www.douban.com/artist/wanmeimousha/

    Devilry: http://www.myspace.cn/huanshijuexiang

    Sealing Stamp: http://www.myspace.cn/fengyinband

    Angel Monoplane: http://www.myspace.cn/angelmonoplane

    Dream Lake: http://www.myspace.cn/lakeofficial

    Dengel: http://www.myspace.cn/dengelcn

    Raflum: http://www.myspace.cn/raflum

     

    Need more time to ripe:

    Mr. Red: http://www.douban.com/artist/mr.red/

    The Zombie Loves Beauty: http://www.douban.com/artist/blackx/

    http://www.douban.com/artist/shisanjieti/

     

    they are mostly not really or purely gothic but it still shows what the underground has to offer ...

     

  • Webslave
    Webslave wrote:

    now some other chn. artists going more direction electro/dark wave/industrial:

    K-Evil: http://www.douban.com/artist/blacksun/

    Zaliva-D: http://www.douban.com/doumail/

    Mr. Rotten: http://www.douban.com/artist/rotten/

    Sin & Anxiety: http://www.douban.com/artist/Anxiety/

    Great Snow: http://www.douban.com/artist/greatsnow/

    Black Hill Forest: http://www.douban.com/artist/blackhillsforest/

    Zhurong: http://www.douban.com/artist/Zhurong/

    Shivering Skull: http://www.douban.com/artist/shiveringskull/

    Doomorrow: http://www.douban.com/artist/doomorrow/

    Sieg Oder Tod: http://www.douban.com/artist/siegodertod/

    Songs Over Ruin: http://www.douban.com/artist/songsoverruin/

    ConFirm-X: http://www.douban.com/artist/confirm-x/

    Morbid Behavior: http://www.douban.com/artist/mb/

    Keemo: http://www.douban.com/artist/Keemo/

    ok, that should be enough, one gets funny in the head after this much of weird stuff LOL

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