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  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    四川在线

    留美博士被控“恐怖分子”续: 父亲求助外交部
    “我是一个无助的父亲,希望得到有关机构的帮助。”昨日,翟田田的父亲翟泰山找到外交部寻求帮助,希望通过官方途径了解儿子目前的情况。“从4 月中旬到现在,我还未和儿子通过一次话,也没有得到任何官方告知的儿子的情况。”昨日,匆匆赶到北京的翟田田父亲翟泰山向外交部领事司反映儿子在美遭遇,称一个多月来,他都是通过中间人了解儿子的情况,在多方联系美方相关机构无果后,他感到很无助。

      据翟父讲,从4月初和翟田田最后一次电话通话后,儿子就如“人间蒸发”一样。“打了无数个电话都无法接通,也找过儿子的学校,因为语言不通最后也没有结果。”翟泰山说,这期间,一家人为此备受煎熬,直到儿子在美国的朋友王女士告知翟田田已被美警方逮捕。“他在美国有学校,还有领事馆,他犯了事怎么就不能通知家人一声?”翟泰山表示,事情发展到现在,已不仅仅是儿子在美犯不犯法的事情,而是作为一个中国人在美的人身安全和尊严能不能得到保护的问题。
      外交部领事司一位姓黄的女士接待了翟父,表示领事司会将翟父提出的诉求向中国驻美使馆反映,并尽可能帮助翟父与儿子取得联系。翟父向领事司提出的诉求主要有三点:一是尽快与狱中的儿子通话,了解儿子最近的情况;二是通过官方了解儿子案件的进展情况;三是如有可能尽快赴美,帮助儿子处理相关事宜。

      外交部领事司表示,他们将密切关注事态进展,尽快联系美相关机构转达翟父的诉求,并根据事态进展给予必要的帮助。

      案件细节

      100美元让狱友带出求助信

      如果不是一封求助信,到现在家里人也许还不知道翟田田身在何处。昨日,翟田田在美国的朋友王梅颖女士讲述了获知翟田田被捕入狱的经过。

      王梅颖,中国台湾人,在翟田田就读的斯蒂文思技术学院附近开中餐馆。王梅颖说,翟田田曾在她的餐馆里打工,因为相处很愉快大家就成为了朋友。4 月15日,翟田田来她的餐馆和她讲了与教授发生争吵的事,此后就再也没有出现过。直到5月初的一天,有一位自称是翟田田狱友的人来到餐馆带给她一封求助信,她得知,为送出这封求助信,翟田田还给了这位狱友100美元作为报酬。此时,她才知道在翟田田来餐馆说他与教授争吵之后的第二天就被警方带走了。


      在接到翟田田的求助信后,王梅颖按信上的电话和翟田田的家人联系,王梅颖提到需要2万美元的保释金后,翟田田的家人还一度认为是她在骗钱,直到翟田田在美国的同学来电话说翟田田已被学校开除,家里人这才相信王梅颖说的话。

      律师观点

      “以言定罪”有些不可思议

      在京律师将发起援助翟田田行动

      留美博士翟田田在美因与学校教授争吵被控“恐怖分子”,事件引起北京法律界关注。昨日,中国人民大学跨国商事法律研究所所长钱卫清律师表示,将会联络在京法律界人士发起援助翟田田行动。


      “单纯因为口头言语就定罪,有些不可思议。”钱律师对翟田田被定性为“恐怖分子”提出了自己的质疑,他认为这是典型的“以言定罪”。他表示,无论在哪个国家,哪种文化背景下,单凭口头言语是不能构成犯罪的,美国是一个法制国家,更不应该出现这种情况。钱律师表示,他将联络在京法学界的专家学者对翟田田事件进行探讨,有必要的话将组织法学界发起声援行动,为翟田田维权。

      网友言论

      翟田田事件反映了中美文化的冲突

      网友“世梁”:凡最近去过美国的每一位中国人都应该对美国机场的警告有印象,任何关于恐怖活动的玩笑,都将被认真地对待,将会导致逮捕或其他法律制裁。

      中华网“只看事实”:应该注意在学校不管是吵架说狠话还是打架,必须依法严惩,这是解决校园暴力的有效途径。

      大河网“七犀鸟”:出现翟田田事件,在一定程度上反映了中美文化的冲突。

      四月青年社区“唯爱居士”:翟田田和教授争论期间,不该说威胁对方的话。他在美国被捕,客观上来说,他自己有责任。

    问题是,2个人之间的个人争吵和矛盾,如何能上升到“恐怖分子”的高度,十分令人费解;想想这个邪恶轴心国的人权状况,令人不寒而立!
  • 哎呀
    哎呀 wrote:
    哪吒,美国在外树敌太多,搞得全国草木皆兵,所以一句玩笑话都有可能被以“恐怖威协罪”逮捕,这确实有点令人费解。我觉得可以采用校内警告,甚至可以把他驱逐出校,但逮捕,起诉,定罪,遣返回国,实在让人有些难以接受,因为这毕竟极有可能只是一句气话,并没实质性地伤害到任何人。

    不过如果这是美国的法律,做为他本人,也无从争辩,只是要保证执行这条法律条文时,不分国籍,种族,肤色,否则就有歧视之嫌。

    这事现在还挺轰动的,在好多媒体都看到相关报道了。
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    This isn't really a news article, but a letter from the father, right?

    When and where was he arrested, and what was the specific charge? That is, what law did he allegedly violate? What school was he attending?

    There are some very serious problems with the American criminal justice system, and favor is always shown to people who have money, or more often, friends with money to post bail. The police normally take all of your cash when you are incarcerated, so I'm really having serious difficulty believing this bit where he paid other inmates $100 to smuggle a letter out of prison.
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    The reason the police take your money when you are incarcerated in the US is very fucked up indeed:

    You have to pay to be in jail!

    Yup. Even though taxpayers complain about having to pay for prisoners' daily living, the cold hard truth is that jails and prisons are also businesses--dirty overpriced hotels. It's called the prison-industrial complex. The prisons are administrated by the state, but the state relies on exclusive contracts with private companies for goods and services.

    Most people who are imprisoned for long periods of time emerge penniless and are forced to file for bankruptcy because of accumulated fines and lost wages. Any remaining assets must be hidden or they will eventually be seized by bloodthirsty debt collectors. It ensures that most people who are incarcerated are forced to turn or return to crime to make a living.

    What we have is a system that does not stop crime, but produces and reproduces it, so that law enforcement officials and judges can justify their salaries.
  • 哎呀
    哎呀 wrote:
    "so I'm really having serious difficulty believing this bit where he paid other inmates $100 to smuggle a letter out of prison. "

    Uhh, perhaps his inmate is not that greedy and willing to help?

    If you want to know more details and to see if this news is real or not, why not google "翟田田“ since you like google traslation so much?:-)
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Then why would he say it cost him $100? Actually, the preferred currency in the prison barter system are cigarettes and sodomy. Perhaps he was too embarrassed to say what he had to do to smuggle the letter.

    But actually, terrorism suspects would NEVER be sent to a normal prison in the United States, where they could communicate with other criminals. Usually they're held in facilities outside of the US, where the authorities can violate their human rights semi-legally. This sort of case would cause quite a stir and you could bet that his classmates would be blogging about it.

    I don't use Google Translation. I use the Words-Chinese Popup Dictionary plugin on Firefox. It's much faster, because I can just highlight hanzi and it'll translate it without opening a separate page, plus I learn new words and expressions every now and then since I'm translating phrase by phrase instead of whole paragraphs. But it's not perfect, and I always miss something. Such as most of the basic 5Ws of this article.

    And I think it works for English-Chinese translation as well, but that part is only good for individual words.
  • 哎呀
    哎呀 wrote:
    "Then why would he say it cost him $100? Actually, the preferred currency in the prison barter system are cigarettes and sodomy. Perhaps he was too embarrassed to say what he had to do to smuggle the letter."

    Then why can't he say it cost him $100? only because your coutry's preferred currency in the prison barter system are cigarettes and sodomy? Perhaps there are some warm-hearted not pervert American in America.
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Here's the only English language news source I've found so far.

    Arrested Chinese graduate student says: 'I'm no terrorist'

    Allegedly, he fought with a professor and threatened to burn down the school.

    Zhai Tiantian's lawyer, Hai Ming, told the US China Press that America is a nation with freedom of speech. Therefore, people cannot be convicted on the basis of what they think or say. Zhai's case is being mishandled, he said.


    He's still in jail because his lawyer is a fucking moron. Threats of violence and arson are not protected by the 1st Amendment.

    Here's how it works: his family can post $20,000 bail and that will get him out of jail until his court date. They can hire a real lawyer who understands what types of speech are actually protected by the 1st Amendment--political speech and not threats to commit arson. They can go to court and fight the charges by questioning the professor's credibility. If they win, the family gets that $20,000 bail back, minus legal expenses.

    Or he can rely on this idiot lawyer Hai Ming and the state-appointed lawyer he is legally entitled to. He'll lose the criminal case and he'll be sent back to China.

    That's how the bail system works. It sucks. But money talks and bullshit walks in the US.
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Maria,
    Life in jail will turn normal people into cold-blooded perverts.
  • Amalie Sæverud
    Maria, I'm afraid I will agree with Dando, the Americans will sue you for everything if you give them the chance! The freedom won't help you until you learn to play in their system and speak their language.
  • 哎呀
    哎呀 wrote:
    Nikkiebaby, have you read my first post carefully?:-) People should obey the law of the country which they currently stay in. But people can also argue if this law is applicable in the society. That's why you see so many foreigners complain about our law system.
  • Amalie Sæverud
    ah, ok, sorry!
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    A lawsuit is a civil matter. Americans are quite litigious and if you do or say something that causes them to lose money, they will find a way to take you to court.

    This is a criminal matter.

    There's a common misapprehension about freedom of speech and 1st Amendment rights in the United States. Freedom of speech is meant to protect political speech--one can speak out against the government without fear of punishment or reprisal.

    It does not mean that you can threaten to burn down a school or beat up a professor just because he gave you an unsatisfactory mark.

    Threats are not protected by 1st Amendment rights. The law is very clear on this. American citizens commonly make this mistake, and so it seems that Chinese lawyers make this mistake, too. The former are simply ignorant. The latter are opportunistic motherfuckers who would turn this into a human rights issue.

    Which it is not.

    This guy has only been in jail for around a month, and he's been offered bail. He can leave any time if someone coughs up the cash. If anyone was sincere in calling this a human rights issue, it would only be a matter of raising $20,000 and getting him on the first flight back to the USA.

    In some respects Chinese people enjoy MORE freedom of speech rights than we do in America, as death threats and promises of physical violence are rarely punished. Ergo my thread on Domestic Violence. A husband can threaten to kill his wife, but the authorities will do nothing, because he's free to say whatever the hell he wants as long as it isn't critical of the established order. And that's the difference between the two country's legal systems. American laws protect weak individuals from the tyranny of the majority, while Chinese laws protect the tyrannical minority from the weak majority.

    It's not about respecting different country's established laws. Even people who immigrate to America illegally can challenge the system and compel it to change, so long as they do so peacefully. The flaw in the American system is that it requires a lot of time and money to compel such change.
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    tl;dr

    OP is a disgusting wu mao party pig who should consult better CHINESE news sources before he posts this kind of insipid trash.
  • anita sønsterud
    对哦,不需要英文来掺杂
  • anita sønsterud
    特别是讨厌一些我用中文写过国内人看的家事,来两人就英语开讲,非得让国际友人加入才好。我不想和外人讨论
  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    我想这里有些朋友误会了,需要澄清一下

    第一,这个帖子是中文帖子,并不是很需要您的英文回复,但还是谢谢合作。鄙人不谙英文,您说了,也白说。
    第二,不是所有人都对您米国法律感兴趣,没人向您请教,无需讲课第三,很多人认为米国是世界最大最危险的恐怖主义国家,人家愿意这么想,这是人家的自由。

    最后,名字起的好啊,犊子!
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    I'm absolutely in agreement that America is responsible for most of the terrorism in the world, if you use the definition of terrorism used by the US military. I'm free to criticize my country's policies, and I exercise that freedom quite frequently. I pity you for not being able to do the same.

    Yet I think you lack not just the ability, but the will. But that's my two cents to your 五毛. You're a rich man, compared to me.

    This is clearly not a human rights issue. There are real violations of human rights committed by the United States, and your uncritical acceptance of this trivial bullshit is only making it harder for us to put an end to actual American imperialism when it really does happen.
  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    我说过了,首先感谢您的友好参与,但是您的英文回复,我们并不是很需要。第二,请注意素质,避免人身攻击性词语的使用。第三,别人愿意怎么想,应该不管您事吧;您那么猴急非要改变别人想法干什么?第四,请讲话的时候不要总用带有“粪便”意思的词语,这会让人以为您是“粪便”的爱好者。
    最后,还是那句话,好名字啊,有深度! 犊子
  • anita sønsterud
    看累了.....我一直觉得在国内蛮自由的。说什么封锁网站,那是自己找不到方法翻墙出去的同志.....我从来不觉得我有受过什么限制。
    帮党说话就是五毛么?这个未免太牵强了.....现在没有共产党还真不行。
    好吧,我就是五毛
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Let me get this straight. It's not okay for Americans to comment about Chinese domestic affairs. But you can complain about the American legal system, and then tell the American to get out when he clarifies it?

    OTL

    I don't see any Chinese people in a rush to teach you the basics of 1st Amendment laws or the criminal justice system.

    Ignorance is indeed bliss.
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Why don't you clarify, in Chinese, which human rights in particular have been violated here?

    The right to quarrel with a professor because you are unsatisfied with your grade?
    The right to threaten to commit arson?

    Really. Do you think this sort of shit would be acceptable in China?
  • Alicia WANG
    Alicia WANG wrote:
    啊?我一直以为帮共产党说话的叫愤青
    老骂共产党天天夸美国的才叫五毛(据说是五毛美金)
    难道这两个词弄反了?
  • Da Fan
    Da Fan wrote:
    多多针对他人说的东西去发表意见,而不要随意揣测他人发表某意见的动机,除非语气公认很明显,或者你很了解此人。

    和土共在某些观点上一致并不意味着支持土共,也不意味着他反对西方,且不意味着他是五毛;和土共在某些观点上不一致并不意味着他反对土共的所有观点,也不意味着他支持西方的所有观点,且不意味着他是五美分。等等等等(以此类推...)

    各国政府,各国政策,各国法律,有好有坏,但在我看来,都不怎么样。。。

    PS, 我还是对2nd amendament更感兴趣些^^
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Da Fan,
    Word, bro.

    Seems like I'm responsible for causing some cognitive dissonance here, eh?
  • Yuki Inés
    Yuki Inés wrote:
    1,这条新闻是不是写得片面?存疑,因为看起来这件事还是有点不可思议。

    2,我感情上不待见所谓米国制度,尽管被老师们洗脑了N年那些漂亮的自发的民主宪政结合体。不过,用人权攻击米国,跟别人用人权攻击中国不都差不多?都是逐末手段。制度的创造是为了某种善的目的,但不能阻止善的目的产生恶的后果,设计出来多好的制度都会有问题。

    3,这事扯不上中国内政。非要说的话,Dando所说,“And that's the difference between the two country's legal systems. American laws protect weak individuals from the tyranny of the majority, while Chinese laws protect the tyrannical minority from the weak majority.”
    美国法律保护个体免遭政府侵犯,原则上似乎是对的,因为宪政民主就是要限制政府。不过美国(相比欧洲某些国家,不是中国)超级著名的就是联邦权力的逐渐集中(要不都要去膜拜《联邦党人文集》呢!),特别在911后,政府的权力被大大加强,所以个体权利受到压抑是不争的事实。楼主写的这文章不就是个例子么?

    你搬中国来protect 米国system没有用,coz中国不是宪政社会,法律没有根本系统保证,你可以说中国的制度是保护寡头的,但是用对比两国法律制度来理解社会是很傻的事。米国可以用宪政制度、法律来理解,但是中国社会无法用法律理解的。中国的制度是通过人来完成的(传说的人治),你说老公要杀老婆,政府不管,因为中国人会说,“清官难断家务事。” 这些事是居委会来做的。

    4,哪咤不是五毛,只是在资本主义社会生了闷气,思乡而已。哈,我作证。
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
    ...

    哈哈...小徒弟...你什么时候搬到美国去了?
  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    呵呵,回叮当老师,我还在墨尔本呢,又出事了,中国男子在墨尔本警察局受到非人待遇,并丢在大街上,后死亡……待续 ,等待后续新闻。澳洲并不安全啊!

    感谢Yuki回复
    1.在我帖子的开头很明显地写着“四川在线”,说明这个“转载”
    3.我也没看出来,这个转载新闻有什么不妥。
    另外,我是楼主,但是“转载”的意思呢就是说,这文章不是我写的,我做的就是复制,粘贴。我还自己的意见都没说呢,就有人蹦出来指着我,又内政,又政党,又五毛的;搞的我一头雾水,不知道在想什么。

    这个新闻讲的是一个令人比较费解案件!没看出来牵涉到任何政党,和干涉谁内政的事!是不是想太多了!

    4.呵呵不懂五毛是啥玩意。我只是如实转载新闻报道而已,不涉及我自己高兴不高兴的问题。

    另外,好久不见美女,进来可好
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
    ...

    呵呵...善哉善哉...小徒弟,还有一点为师要提醒你的,这里是多语言网站,不要因为其他朋友不写中文就说一些不礼貌的说话...记得了啊...呵呵...阿彌佗佛...
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    It's not an internal affairs issue. There are two charges against him: one is the terrorism charge, which will most likely be dropped. The other is an immigration charge, since his student visa was invalidated by his school for violating the school's policies (that is, not threatening teachers with arson).

    Boo fucking hell damn hoo. He's going to be sent back to China, where Uncle Sam can't fuck him in the butt for a pack of smokes.

    Here's an idea: report honestly on that incident in Melborne. It sounds like it's more substantial than this Di Tiantian bullshit. Don't copy paste some trash on the forum and then say, "Oh, it's not mine, I don't take responsibility for it," like a coward. You passed it on without criticism or content, and that must be taken as an endorsement of its news value.

    I will post in English as much as I want. You understand it even though you're unable or unwilling to reply in it. Fine with me. I can catch the gist of the passive-aggressive backpedaling you're posting in Chinese.


    Uncle DD,
    "小徒弟"... is this like, "the world's tiniest violin?" Hehehe...
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... Dando, it is not, "徒弟" merely means "student" of some sort, I am sure you can wiki it ... this kid is a good kid, perhaps mixed with the wrong crowd, i.e. me ... hahahaha ...
  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    Hahaha, my translator said it was "string quartet". Wo cao.

    Fine, I'll tone it down a bit.
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    哪咤, Minako,
    请你们原谅单独子还不太会写中文,所以他才需要用英文来解释这个案例。这里是个跨国网站。我受不了文盲人在大多数人用英文的楼里抱怨人来插几句中文。同样,你们如果不愿意和不会读中文的人沟通,我希望你们也滚到别的网站去:你们在这个网络社会没有任何贡献。

    回到话题,单独子解释案例的有关法律是完全正确。美国倒是有很大的人权问题,但是我不认为在这个案例被表现出来。
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    Haha, Dando, I always translate it as disciple.
    我觉得你应该尝试用中文写点东西,你好像都看得差不多,写一点可以帮你进步。
    人家转帖新闻不代表他赞同内容,可能代表他觉得值得讨论而已。不过,我也希望人家转帖真正的新闻,而不专贴tabloid shit.
  • anita sønsterud
    那不是外媒一贯的作风么?
  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    回莫名!
    第一,此楼开篇为中文楼,第二,请注意用词和素质,不要善用“滚”这样的词。你不喜欢人家回复中文,你可以注明,或者劝诱,但请素质;第三,注意我说的是“我们并不是很需要英文回复,在这个帖子”,没必要说什么又“滚”又“颠儿的”;第三,不说英文就是文盲?,这标准谁定的,头回听说。我原来还以为只说英文才是文盲呢!嗯,活到老学到老啊最后这个坛子好像也不是你的私有财产啊,你有什么资格叫别人离开,还用“滚”,呵呵

  • 随便叫兽
    随便叫兽 wrote:
    我不会说中文. 对不起.



    @莫明,
    I'd try, but I'm on a Linux machine and I don't even have a proper pinyin input method. Thanks for the encouragement, though.

    @哪咤,
    I chastise and sometimes even berate and insult people who tell Chinese people "speak English, not Chinese!" in this forum. It's rude. This is an international community. But now you're saying that information in English is unneeded to discuss legal affairs in an English speaking country? This is clearly ridiculous.

    You're the landlord. If you really think the information I provided is unnecessary, go delete my posts. But I don't see anyone praising your selection for its journalistic accuracy. Despite my linguistic handicap, I've contributed far more than you have to your own thread. You're welcome.

    Stay in school, kid.
  • ┢┦apΡy
    ┢┦apΡy wrote:
    Dando Z 单独子,不是坏男孩。这是个双语网站,很多人。关心此事也是情理之中。
  • 事与愿违
    事与愿违 wrote:
    莫名,are you crazy???! 【我受不了文盲人在大多数人用英文的楼里抱怨人来插几句中文。同样,你们如果不愿意和不会读中文的人沟通,我希望你们也滚到别的网站去:你们在这个网络社会没有任何贡献。】
    虽然这是跨国网站,但好像主要还是中国吧。讲中文是文盲?????注意你还是在中国呢。
    一向喜欢沉默的我,看到这里忍不住想说一下。

    不过这种涉及国际问题还是不要在这里讲的好,在内部网站发泄发泄就OK了
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
    ...

    哈哈...小徒弟,怎么我觉得你现在说话,跟之前很不一样呢?也许我应该说,跟另外一些我见过的人越来越像了,呵呵...你什么时候有空,上MSN来找我吧,我想好好跟你谈一下...但我希望你记得一点...语言只是一种沟通的工具,更重要的是谈话的内容,同声同气不一定就是朋友,有语言障碍也没见得一定是不友善或敌人...你现在身处澳大利亚,你应该很明白这一点...

    Hahahaha ... Dando ... time for you to get a proper Chinese input system on your Linux ... :)

    Ming ... I will ask the same favour of you as I had asked Dando ... please cut the kid some slack ... I have been away from Oz for too long, so I can only imagine what had been happening back home based on the (recent) news and what my family told me, so maybe the kid had been dealing with (or had seen) some major discrimination head-on or something ... please give me a chance to talk to him ...

    Thanks ... time to cook :)
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    Sasuke, 哪咤" "不说英文就是文盲?,这标准谁定的,头回听说。我原来还以为只说英文才是文盲呢"

    我写的是"我受不了文盲人在大多数人用英文的楼里抱怨人来插几句中文。同样,你们如果不愿意和不会读中文的人沟通……"我的意思是不认中文的是文盲。由于我也基本上是文盲,我可能没有把我的意思表达清楚。

    哪咤,不管怎样,除非你开一楼专门为训练你的外语,我觉得你在这么一个网站要求人用任何语言都不对。我觉得你们对小单独子很不礼貌才用不礼貌的话。我一般很客气。你用“高素质”的语言来表达没有素质的意思也不算很有素质。

    But I'll forgive you because uncle D says so :-D

    Dando, If I'd known you were without input ability I would have gifted you one of my extra laptops that I just sent back to the states with someone since I wasn't using it. Install a new OS?
  • 事与愿违
    事与愿违 wrote:
    @莫名
    哦,那我错怪你,可能我的理解有问题。对不起!
  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    莫名同学。我可没有那么大的权利和姿态“要求”别人,我挺多是劝诱和建议。
    举例说明 第一个是 “你必须吃红烧肉!”
    第二句是 “你可以尝尝红烧肉,挺好吃的”,或者说“最好别吃这个菜,不太好吃”

    请注意区别,第一个是命令和要求,后面的建议和提倡。语言用词的细微变化,差异还是挺大的。会错意,或者放大化就不好了
  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    哦,另外,说谁“要求”谁!请告诉我,如何实现呢!如果不是坛子管理员的话,应该没那个功能吧!那又如何“要求”呢!这不是不成立吗
  • 王经纬
    王经纬 wrote:
    回莫名:哈哈哈“小单独子”??怎么被你搞成日本女士了?不好意思,我也没觉得他有礼貌。可能是礼貌的标准不同吧。哦,对不起,我忘了,标准可以多维,多重的了。呵呵
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
    ...

    呵呵...小徒弟的记性就跟为师一样...我刚跟你说了好像又忘记了?

    Dando, Ming ... 还是讨论新闻吧...呵呵...

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