Discussion » Nonsense » 101 things you would like to change in Beijing.

  • Jimi
    Jimi wrote:
    1. Driving Skills
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    1a. Driving skills in reverse direction ...

    2. General hygiene
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    4. Most service providers (mainly restaurants) should know as much foreign languages (and at least one other Chinese dialects) as those stall-keepers at Ya Xiu and Xiu Shui ...
  • Z
    Z wrote:
    Taxi drivers brush their teeth every day.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... (6) could be generalised to all of China, including Hong Kong ...

    7. operators of restaurants and shopping centres should enforce "no smoking" in "non smoking zone" ... maybe even allow them to write tickets and fine the offenders ...

  • Rebecca Arnesen
    i don't care if taxi drivers can speak english but brushing teeth everyday and taking a shower at least every three days would be nice
  • Erik Aleksander Aas
    8. Air fresheners should be compulsory in cabs.
  • Malin Aaker
    Malin Aaker wrote:
    10. A LOT more subway lines and stops so it actually becomes a way to move around the city. But I guess it's in the plan, and you can't build 10 subway lines in just a year... Sadly!
  • 残乐
    残乐 wrote:
    12. More pretty girls
  • Peter Baird
    Peter Baird wrote:
    14.Warmer winters.
  • Amalie Nilsen
    Amalie Nilsen wrote:
    15.stop spitting on streets
  • Wang Ge 王戈
    less laowai going "why don't ppl speak english here?"
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    17. cooler summer ...

    18. more equal opportunities ...

    19. police with more authority rather than a bunch of sissy's
  • Joakim Berg Solum
    20. Subways that run for 24 hours a day
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    Oh yeah 24 hour subways would be awesome.

    Cooling of the housing prices would be good.

    Less cars would do some good for traffic congestion

    Cleaner Air would be great

    Cooler Summer months can be comfortable

    However, I accept Beijing as it is and I am very happy to be welcome here.
  • Ms Bla
    Ms Bla wrote:
    less assholes
  • Malin Aaker
    Malin Aaker wrote:
    Haha, Kodi, I only can hope that more and 24 hours subway would lead to less cars, and cleaner air!
    I'm not happy with Beijing as it is, as much as I'd be unhappy anywhere else, cause there's always a way to make it better!

    @Blair, sorry I'm not leaving anytime soon!
  • Daniel Westerberg
    lol, since I own one appartment in Beijing I can't agree to that the housing prices should go down :P so far my appartment have gone up about 1 200 000 rmb :D I just wished I had more appartments so I could sell a few now :P

    Things I would like to be better.. that they didn't turn off the heating so early in the spring. Cold as %¤#% inside sometimes..

    Go back to allow smoking in the taxis :P

    100mb broadband internet connections would be nice aslo, miss that from Sweden.
  • Alban
    Alban wrote:
    21. Free Classes on civic behavior by some right International people or well- travelled locals.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... Saibo, we both know that you are not the AH in question ...
  • wrote:
    Do not make so many noises when they eating, shopping and traveling.
    I hate those speaking so loudly in the restaurants.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... Sun, perhaps slightly off topic, but usually the loud people are Chinese ... e.g. my mother asked me yesterday on the bus, why did this guy sitting in the front need to be so loud on the phone, hahahaha ... and just from experience, Chinese who just arrived in Australia are often very loud in public, me included ... hahaha ...

    ... let the list continue ...
  • wrote:
    My intent is to change those Chinese people not to make so many noise during their eating, shopping and traveling. It is not off topics.

    Do you like to to eat in those noisy restaurants? So many people speak so loudly that you have to speak more loudly to listen to the people on the opposite side of your table.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... I see what you mean now, you were actually talking about the local Chinese? Silly old me ... hahahha ... sorry ...

    However, to answer your question, I probably would not care much about it, if I only go there for the food ...
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    Wang Ge 王戈 写道:less laowai going "why don't ppl speak english here?"

    Yes. Sorry Astaroth, but I have to agree here. Going to a foreign country and them complaining that they don't speak your language there is kind of lame. Do we Americans do this in France too? No wonder the French hate us!
  • Jon Magnus Ro
    Jon Magnus Ro wrote:
    SPITTING SPITTING SPITTING. its just so uncivilized.
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    Um fuck the French! The French hate us because we are all assholes and assholes of such opposite tastes may find it hard to get along. Im part French and I rarely can get along with my French side. Sorry Saibo.
  • wrote:
    I support "Um fuck the French!"
    haha
  • G
    G wrote:
    Weather~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~weather!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Pete DeMola
    Pete DeMola wrote:
    Wang Ge 王戈
    Yes, yes and yes.

    Beijing also needs more live music venues (especially in CBD) and more foreign artists making this city a stop on their international tour itineraries.

    And more thunderstorms.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    In the risk of being warned ... hahahaha ... the government needs to make policies for the people, not just the country or economics ...

    Pete or anyone ... curiously, why so few foreign artists making this city a stop?
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Agree 101% with the venue part ... we went to see Riverdance before CNY, and the stage was not suitable... which reminds me, I still owe some of you the photos ... heehee ...
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... I made a promise to post some photos from the Riverdance Beijing performance in the forum, but had not delivered ... yet ...
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    Astaroth said: I am not here to study a language. i am here to teach one.

    That is cool, everyone has their own reason for being here, and I understand that some people who were sent here for work are not at all interested in learning how to talk to people here. I also take vacations in countries where I don't speak the local language, and I mostly rely on English to get around.

    But, not learning the language is a little different from complaining that the locals don't speak your language.

    And yes, the cab drivers would try to give you fake money or take you for a long ride even if you spoke Chinese. Grab the plate with their driver number and they'll straighten up.

    And now, some jokes about the French:

    A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
    Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French
    Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large
    group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries.
    Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a
    French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many
    languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, "Why is it that
    we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than
    speaking French?"
    Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, "Maybe it's because the
    Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't
    have to speak German."

    Aside: I guess you can use this same joke in China. It's ok to demand that they speak English, because if it weren't for us they'd be speaking Japanese.

    Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane.
    At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.
    "You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.
    Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.
    "Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."
    The American said, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."
    "Impossible.
    Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France !"
    The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he
    quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in
    1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... I wont go that far, but it would be nice if they had chosen Cantonese instead of Mandarin as the standard language ... and I would not have minded if they use Traditional Chinese characters too, but that might be too much to hope for ...
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    oh I like those french jokes!

    Change the Chinese laguage? Oh damn that is a little harsh. More people speak Chinese in the world than any other language!

  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    叮当叔叔,你是不是宁愿去住香港?
  • wrote:
    莫名,

    你的笑话很好笑,你什么时候放弃你的美国国籍,把它给我,哈哈
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    Thank you Kodi, at least someone appreciates them. Take a guess which nationalist moron is giving me a tongue lashing for making the same joke about why Chinese should learn English...?
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    HAHA you know somebody had to jump on that! Nationalist issues are pretty sensitive no matter where you are. However, you cannot deny that if we did drop the bombs on Japan they would have continued to occupy China. At that time China had no way to defeat Japan, so it is really nuts how people in China are sometimes educated to believe that Japan left China because of the work of some Chinese national hero. There are some truths to this view, but if you look at the history of what was happening at that time in history you cannot deny that America played a huge roll in destroying the Japanese empire.

    It has something to do with education and national pride. Perhaps the only way to get out of arguing with this guy is to apologize hehe. You hurt his national pride and masculinity as a Chinese man. I will feel the same way when the USA loses it's dominance in the world system and people say things about America.
  • wrote:
    Frankly speaking, I like to thank Soviet Union to send army to China and fought with Japanese army in China, it has nothing to do with U.S. in this matter.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... Kodi, I dont know about the background nor the facts, but the story was that after spending considerable time, Mandarin was selected as the national language ... probably because most BJer speak it, and BJ is the capital ... and the title of the thread is "things I would like to change", so yeah, why not?

    Ming ... you can bet your life that I want to go to HK, but it can never be my own decision :)

  • Synne Syverstad
    Kodi,obviously, u only read a little history, which is limited in that period of that place~
    If Japan continued to invade China, there will be no Japan now, neither Japanese!and the Yamato will should have become an ethnic of Chinese nation !as Manchu, Mongol, and so many other ethnics of China !looking at the 2500 years history of China, u can see that every nation who tried to invade this land finally become a part of this land. And that's how our country become such a huge country with vast land and largest population.
    of course, we dont deny the contributions of the world Anti-fascist alliance, but plz remember we r also a part of it !
    and PLZ respect the blood and lives which our heros devoded in the war !
  • Synne Syverstad
    Astaroth , if there were no China, what will Americans use ? recommend a book to u, 《A year without ‘Made in China’》
    U guys r buying the things and we dont force u to do so~and besides, the word is huge, so does the world market, America just a tiny part of it~ and the portion which America takes in China Expo is becoming smaller and smaller.
  • Synne Syverstad
    Every dog has its day. But never everyday.
    so dont be so arrogant and say things like "if without me……",the earth wont stop for anyone.
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    Sparky I totally agree! I did not think about the issue in the larger context of Chinese history. Please forgive me for being so ignorant of what I learned about Chinese through the study of history. China culture does have a tendency to absorb invaders into the fold of Chinese culture and tends to make them more Chinese instead of Chinese becoming more like the invaders.

    I was simply viewing the issue from what happened at that particular time in history without reference to the past. How foolish of me.

    The efforts to expel the Japanese were actually joint efforts made by Chinese like Mao, Jiang, and also the Russians among others. The actual reason the Japanese left China was? Even though the U.S. did not bomb Japan for the reason of expelling them from China it was a byproduct of the bombing. Of course I was taught that after the bombing Japan was forced to retreat and return home because of the fact that their country was crippled by the huge losses incurred by the bombing. However, I guess the actual reasons for their retreat can not only be attributed to only one effort made by only one country. Perhaps we have gaps between our education and the worldview from which the story is told. I agree that we Americans tend to view ourselves as the hero far too frequently.

    We do have to agree that the Japanese needed to be stopped at that time and they were as a result of combined efforts. I am curious to know what Japan would be like today if they had been absorbed.

    However, I do think at that time in history the invasion of China by Japan was a direct threat threat to Chinese culture because of the technological differences between China and the Western world at that time. I do not deny that China may have been able to absorb it's invaders to certain degree, but the Japanese had a superior military advantage at that time. Unlike the historical invasions of China in which the invaders became more Chinese the technological differences were highly advanced. The Japanese were not using the same technology as the Chinese. The Japanese military was highly developed and self sustained by the Japanese military industrial complex. However, at that time China's military was largely dependent on gorilla soldiers and relied on help from outside in order to present even the slightest significant resistance to Japanese occupation. Even until recent years China continued to struggle to develop it's military in order to keep up with outside forces. However I highly doubt that the same will happen to China now that there is significant technological growth from within China in direct response to outside military technologies.

    My point is that the Japanese were unlike invaders of the past, therefore absorbtion by the Chinese would have been a rather lengthy and highly detrimental process. The Japanese were not only knocking on China's door with rifles, vast ground armies, and mortar cannons. They were in China with a fully developed navy, experienced highly nationalistic generals, cutting edge bombs, a fully laid out military strategy based on their highly advanced military technology, and the will to sacrifice their lives everything to advance Japanese national interests. Mao's total war gorilla efforts were valiant and effective, but they would have taken a very long time to actually defeat the Japanese. Also there were so many factors in this war were stacked against him because of efforts made by other countries like the supply of weapons to the KMT by the United States and the strategy of KMT to oppose Mao even in the face of Japanese invasion. KMT actually worked the Japanese invasion into their war strategy and actually used it as an advantage. The efforts of Chinese against the Japanese were very brave and the ability of PLA to fight KMT and the Japanese at the same time shows China's strength and resilience. I greatly respect China's key figures efforts to liberate China
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    Oh Sparky you view America as very arrogant hehe. You are correct on many levels. That is why I am in China becoming more and more educated about the future of the world. Life without made in China would be bad for the whole world. China has become an integral part of the world economy and we cannot afford to lose it. This is one side of China's development that is very clever. The leaders are working to raise China's value in the world and it is working very well. I am just happy that I no no longer hold a particular allegiance to any political system or economy. If you look at the big picture and the relative decline of the U.S. you can see that the West and the East have very different ways of doing things and no one way is necessarily better than another, for they all have advantages and disadvantages. We can only hope to develop our own minds in order to cope with and benefit from the inevitable changes to come in the future. Change is good, but intolerance and ignorance to change will only lead to conflict.
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    "I was simply viewing the issue from what happened at that particular time in history without reference to the past. How foolish of me."

    Haha Kodi, they on'tday understanday arcasmsay. :-D

    I think you are right. I should just apologize. Not only would Han Chinese have taken over Japan as they did with Inner Mongolia and Manchuria, but the US would probably have been taken over by Japan as well if it were not for the military support of China. Mao bless them!

    Everybody hates the US hegemony except when the Serbians from Kosovo. Even if we inadvertently helped liberate China in one war, we've been opposed to it in three others since (and didn't do one damn good thing before WWII).

    Maybe we should just try to clean up our own country instead. Too bad our economy is based on weapons. Gotta have wars to keep going.
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    yeah even I hate U.S. hegemony! It will not take the world to much longer to figure out how to counteract U.S. hegemony and they will do it with a new version of our own ideals. I am just trying to wait it out from the outside looking in. Perhaps this will make for some good books and theories on international relations.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... my evil half just came up with another delicious thread topic, but my pretended-righteous half is concerned if Pete might really kick me out for good this time ...
  • Synne Syverstad
    “ Perhaps we have gaps between our education and the worldview from which the story is told.”
    that's ture ! the history we learned r really different in some aspects. but after all, our elder generations r in the right side and did fight for the peace and that's we should pay respects to.
    and about the military thing, u know the technology doesn't have nationality and emotional sense of belonging. that means it dont have charisma. so it cant reach people's heart. It is easy to conquer the land but hard to conquer people's heart. therefore, if Japan had won the war, the army may change its name, the country may change the name,but will people change their minds? even if the country change its name, the people r still the same. the new techs in life wont make u think they become different people, but the language, the way they act, the food they eat will tell u who they r.
  • Synne Syverstad
    "East have very different ways of doing things and no one way is necessarily better than another, for they all have advantages and disadvantages. "
    I totally agree ! just like different people have different styles and habits. and we cant judge them as right or wrong~ understanding and respect r what's really needed !
  • Minger
    Minger wrote:
    叮噹叔叔 写道:
    Hahahaha ... my evil half just came up with another delicious thread topic, but my pretended-righteous half is concerned if Pete might really kick me out for good this time ...

    DD, I'm titillating in anticipation...

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