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  • wrote:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/single-black-females/story?id=9395275

    Nicole Marchand is celebrating another birthday. A 31-year-old black woman, she's already a prosecuting attorney in Atlanta and running for state court judge.

    Personable yet direct, Marchand isn't the kind of woman you find standing by passively on the sidelines of life. But you would find her, for example, at the Georgia Dome, cheering on the Atlanta Falcons pro football team.

    You've heard of a man's man. Marchand is the quintessential man's woman: She appears to have it all. And, yet, she's still single.

    She has plenty of company. Forty-two percent of U.S. black women have never been married, double the number of white women who've never tied the knot

    "I look forward to the day," Marchand said. "I look forward to being married."

    It's just not that easy. For starters, there are 1.8 million more black women than black men. So even if every black man in America married a black woman today, one out of 12 black women still wouldn't make it down the aisle if they hoped to marry a black man.

    Let's take 100 black men. By the time you eliminate those without a high school diploma (21 percent), the unemployed (17 percent) and those ages 25-34 who are incarcerated (8 percent), you have only half of black men, 54 percent, whom many black women find acceptable.

    As a prosecutor, Marchand sees this problem firsthand every day.

    "It is sad to see that the majority of the defendants that we prosecute are black males," Marchand said. "Those numbers can be very disappointing."

    "Nightline" broached the serious dilemma with comedian-turned-relationship-guru Steve Harvey, author of the book "Act Like a

    Is Your Requirements Sheet Ridiculous?
    "Admittedly, the selection of men is slim," Harvey said, but "there are still a lot of good men out there who are being overlooked. ... There are a lot of women, though, who are trying to match up their education level, who are trying to match up their corporate status to find somebody on the same level, and they are having trouble. That has nothing to do with manhood at all."

    Harvey says black women don't have to settle but they may need to compromise.

    "You are a corporate exec, does he have to be a corporate exec?" Harvey asked. "You make $150,000. He has to make $150,000 or above? If your requirement sheet is ridiculous, then you have to look at it."

    What "Nightline" looked at were the large numbers of professional black women who have groomed themselves for success with B.A.s, M.D.s and J.D.s. Seventy percent of them are still without the more elusive title: M-R-S.

    The tick-tock of the biological clock is a bit louder for many women, including several of Marchand's single friends who live in Atlanta.

    Chato Waters is a 32-year-old high school counselor pursuing a doctorate degree in psychology. "I would be lying if I said I don't have fleeting thoughts of, 'OK, I am 32, my clock is ticking," Waters said. "We have a saying called the 'black girl curse.' A lot of our white friends are married by 25, happily married with kids by 27, and we're like, 'What's the deal with the BGs?' -- and that's black girls."

    Jakene Ashford is a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. Now that she's 34, Ashford (who is 5-foot-9) has lowered the bar when it comes to height requirements.

    "I don't have a certain criteria, like if you are not 6-foot-5. ... And I used to, but then as I got older I said, 'Maybe if you are 6-foot-3, 6-foot-2, 6-foot-1, maybe if we can see eye-to-eye."

    At issue is whether Ashford needs to set aside certain standards in order to make it down the aisle.

    "I kind of have certain standards that I hold myself to, and I don't think I should have to
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    settle on those for the sake of having somebody," she said.

    'I Was Thinking, "What Happened?"'
    Her parameters are pretty flexible. "I've dated unemployed men, men trying to find themselves, struggling artists and rich men, poor men," Ashford said.

    She's also open to dating outside of her race. Indeed, the number of black women entering interracial marriages has more than doubled in the past decade.

    "Last night, I was at a restaurant and had a great conversation with a Caucasian man," she said. "I mean we were vibing, we were clicking and I am thinking at the end of the night he's going to ask me for my number, because white men never ask for my number, and he said. 'Great conversation, maybe I will see you around.' And I was thinking, 'What happened?'"

    Melinda Watson is a 28-year-old payroll specialist who hasn't had an exclusive relationship since college.

    "We are maybe not as coveted as black men in society," she said. "I just feel there is a lot of taboo that is associated with dating black women, because I don't think they are necessarily ready to take us home to see momma."

    The consensus in this group was that their preference is to marry a black man. And it's not that they can't find one to date. The issue, in many cases, is exclusivity.

    "You meet these great guys, you have a good relationship, and then it is like, 'I'm going to keep you around, and hopefully when I am ready to settle down, you'll be there,'" Ashford said.

    Waters said, "That is the back-pocket girl. Every once in a while, they will check in on you to make sure you are still single: 'You still single, you still waiting on me?'"

    Waters hasn't been in a committed relationship in more a decade. "I have my emotional moments where I cry, where I sit and I think, 'Could I have done something differently?'" she said.

    "I get lonely, but in that same vein the hurt I felt, and no peace, being in a situation I knew wasn't right for me. I am more at peace with just crying myself to sleep sometimes, or going everywhere with Jakene [Ashford], rather than just having that little piece of a man."

    Marchand speculated on underlying causes.

    "It may be the numbers," she said, "It may be the options, it may be them realizing the disparity is there and saying, 'Well, let me just test the waters and see what the options are.'"

    Waters said, "If you have four quality women in rotation, who is going to rush into a marriage?"

    'You Have a Biological Clock. We Don't.'
    Harvey, the self-proclaimed expert on men, listen in as the single ladies talked about their requirements.

    "I had a list of about 50 things that I would keep in my Bible," Waters said. "It is now down to about 10."

    "Honesty," Ashford said.

    "Supportive," Watson said.

    "Financially stable," Waters said.

    "Now granted, I am 31, so he needs to be at a certain stage," Marchand said.

    "We need to be able to pray together," Waters said.

    As for the deal breakers, Watson said, "Just because of my past -- men with kids or just not being ambitious."

    Ashford said, "If I don't have that initial chemistry, it's not going to work, I don't care if you have everything on the list."

    Marchand said, "I am not going to talk to you if I'm not attracted to you."

    Harvey's first reaction was not, technically, advice.

    "Y'all fine as hell, who don't want to go out with y'all?" he said.

    "Men my age have made a mistake in that we didn't teach the generation behind us the principles of manhood."

    His advice was to go for the older man.

    "You have a biological clock," h
  • wrote:
    "You have a biological clock," he said. "We don't."

    While these women look forward to settling down, they say they're not willing to settle.

    "The one thing that I can't control is a man choosing to marry me," Ashford said, "and, so, I choose not to worry about it."

    Waters said, "I am lonely, but having the faith I have and being the woman I am and waiting as long as I have, I can't settle now. It's not an option for me."

    She's not alone. "I would love to be in a relationship, in a marriage, but I don't feel that defines me," Marchand said.

    "So if I don't find the perfect person for me, then I'll just remain single."

  • wrote:
    A good article to take a look for all people arguing about sex, love, interracial marriage and other matters. And most participants are really polite and open-minded, not like those in this forum who talked about dirty words and are so radical.
  • John
    John wrote:
    The problem with the so called "Black community" is that we choose to complain about all the wrong things. This is coming from a Black male who grew up on the Westside of Atlanta. Therefore I will use dirty words and be radical because I, like most Black men coming from where I'm from can not afford to be the "man" these so called "women" are looking for. It's that simple. To be such a "man" it takes MONEY. If you're livin' in the hood its due to a LACK of MONEY and other economic opportunities that young men of other races have readily available.


    This article is really sad, not because of the statistics provided on Black American men, but the fact that Black American men must live by the standards of a predominately white society in order to gain the respect of their Black women. Most Black men know this and therefore Black women get the treatment they often do UNLESS a particular Black man was born with a silver spoon up his ass which makes him just as good as a man from another race who belongs to the bottom of the food chain (which is pretty good for a nigga).


    Women of any race don't give a shit about history, economics or politics. It's all about them being "happy". Well you know what? I don't give a fuck. I'm a keep it real. And if that makes me look bad then fuck it. At least I didn't shit on my own ancestors. That's not what a man does. It's MUCH easier for women to sell out though. If you want to talk about real problems like WHY IS IT THAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY DOES NOT SUPPORT HARDWORKING BLACK MEN REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY LOOK then feel free to send me a PM Sun. You've already seen my profile. It's pretty amusing how this article talks about a bunch of complaining Black women from Atlanta. If I ever run out of toilet paper I'll just print this thread out and wipe my broke, "fat", short and homely book readin' black ass!


    PEACE
  • John
    John wrote:
    WHAT SELF RESPECTING BLACK MAN WOULD WANT TO WORK FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED TO DESTROY HIM? THAT IS, WHY WOULD HE TRY TO GAIN ACCEPTANCE FROM A SOCIETY TAUGHT TO VIEW HIM AS THE LOWEST OF THE LOW??? THIS IS WHY:


    "Let's take 100 black men. By the time you eliminate those without a high school diploma (21 percent), the unemployed (17 percent) and those ages 25-34 who are incarcerated (8 percent), you have only half of black men, 54 percent, whom many black women find acceptable."


    Sounds crazy doesn't it? Well not if you're Black, male and from the hood. Now, what they DON'T talk about is how there are a lot of Black males who TRY to do the "right thing" only to find out it was a waste of time to begin with. It was a waste of time because instead of being accepted for who he was, in addition to studying hard, saving money and living a modest lifestyle he also had to try and be some other Black dude who has made it big in entertainment for promoting all of the things that keep Black men from being "men" in the first place. People back home are aware of this and the vicious cycle continues.


    RESPONSIBLE BLACK MEN ARE DAMN NEAR INVISIBLE.


    It's like, hey I see you workin' hard out there but you're not tall enough. Or, you don't have enough money. Etc. etc.


    BE REAL. SAVE THE TREES.
  • John
    John wrote:
    I'm about to fucking cry. Seriously. Like fucking hang my head down in pity for the world that seems to be full of dumb fucks. It's like, Africans were taken off of their own land, made to be slaves, forced to forget their own culture, pride and history and now their descendants still have to deal with this "curse" of being bastards.


    After slavery ended it was still hard for a Black man to stand on his own two feet. You had shit out there like Jim Crow laws. You had men in the 1940s and 1950s being hanged, burned and tied to railroad tracks (which also happened as recently as the 1990s!). The civil rights movement has been gone for quite some time and now you have a bunch of women whinning about how some of their men have been to jail! Martin Luther King Jr. went to jail too! Wait that's different? Cause "massah" painted him as a hero after shitting on him for a lifetime of community service?


    *shaking my head*


    Miss you don't get it do you? What we need is not another King at this moment. What we as a community need is MONEY. Not just one single tall, dark and handsome male with money, but an entire community that don't have to go outside of their own race for "help".


    But you just want to be happy.


    I don't give a fuck what you dumb fucks thing about this post. Most of y'all ain't Black anyway. I wrote this to clear shit up for a lot of Black men who are wrongly judged and labeled. Whether these mofos got my back doesn't even matter. I got me!


    And I'm out for real this time!



    PEACE
  • Shane
    Shane wrote:
    Sounds like someone read a bit too much eldridge cleaver ;) Haha jk
  • John
    John wrote:
    *think
  • John
    John wrote:
    *think
  • 白杰/jason White
    I am a Single Black female, Addicted to Retail motha fakas ! hahaha
  • John
    John wrote:
    Damn! I think you just summed up the whole fucking article! You're so well spoken too!

    NEXT!
  • Shane
    Shane wrote:
    Apparently a new retard has come to the forum.
  • Black Boy In The Building Tonight
    fuck u shane mc m(anus)...
    whatis behind of u , u cannot to catch it up ,, so let concentrate what's going on in front of u M(ANUS)..u bitch..fuck all ya mothrfucker..
    chect me out.. fuckup
  • Mathew Abisai
    Mathew Abisai wrote:
    things are getting out of hand here
  • John
    John wrote:
    Yo, "A", chill out. There's really no need whatsoever. If you're interested in contributing to the OP then feel free to speak your mind because there's A LOT WRONG with it!

    PEACE
  • John
    John wrote:
    Other Black men out there share your thoughts please!
  • John
    John wrote:
    It's your call. If you choose not to stick to the topic its not my problem. That's all I care about.
  • John
    John wrote:
    Dude, this reverse psychology stuff is not going to work.


    You have a nice day!


    And if you're ashamed of being Black that's your problem not mine. And that's not your pic either.
  • John
    John wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00
  • №❶ Passioη
    I wonder if to regret being the first to post on this kind of topic in a new year

    P.G 25 - Read only if you are the directly or indirectly a subject of the topic. The word "fight" as used in my post may connote words like: reprove, quarrel, rebuke, yap where appropriate.

    John was stating out the facts from the heart - So straight that some blacks here didn't get it let alone non-blacks. I'd rather he should have ignored Sun to keep prying on for negative stories and statistics about black communities. Hopefully whoever is that keen to sniff his nose for bad black cheese; in other words exploring and exposing bad news about blacks would in the same process learn that a race of people who moved from slavery to leadership in just 50 years cannot possibly be that hopeless. The world is changing fast.

    As for black women, their problem is generally pride and inbuilt snobbishness... The ones mentioned in the analysis probably spent more time of their lives pursuing a glowing career than flirting with men... perhaps they should have said more about their personal lives like: how many men ever asked them out and what their response was. Like John said: - blacks have had to struggle for what is already available to other races; so that accounts for more of extra time invested in hard work and profession building rather than personal life issues. They (those ladies) may end up having to travel to African countries or the Caribbean - and do so very humbly if they want to stand the chance to fulfill their marital life. In my opinion, a high number of duly yet unmarried black females is better than a high divorce rate - as is the case with Chinese.

    *Off topic - My general observation is that blacks are dysfunctional as a nation... why? because there is too much pride and jealousy among individuals - This pride was probably cultivated in the time of slavery when a black man felt he had to build up a psychology against servitude - This psychology apparently drove then a bit over the edge. Today, a black man hardly ignores little things - he will fight over everything - including the ones not worth fighting for. Fight the white man just to prove he's human, fight a fellow black for taking a step ahead of him, fight anyone else for calling him "black", fight those who tease him, etc. The aggressiveness goes on and on. In a queer opinion that may be a good way to show wisdom in humanity

    This is caused by a lack of commonsense and thoughtfulness easily available to every sane human being. A white man pulls your leg online to prove to the world you're not smart enough to contain your anger... even online it's so easy for you to say: "Fuck you" etc... even though you gain absolutely nothing from saying so... but on the contrary, you loose a lot. Get smart boy, you're only being teased

    I recommend to every "black man" to grow on his own. The days when you were cheated are long gone... now you have all the opportunities you were fighting for - you have equality to the extent sufficient to make the sky your limit, you have the human rights you wanted, the freedom of speech and everything you were fighting and dying for. Use it wisely.

    One Love
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    No one people can suppress another people forever brother. Do not feel hopeless because some of us struggle everyday to address the problems listed in this post.

    One in three black males between the ages of 21 and 29 have had trouble with the law and that is not because they are bad people. It is due to our systematically racist system in the United States. White America has done the same thing to every society who they have ever encountered. It seems to me to be the most racist system ever created. This is what we are up against. this is what we are faced with. We can join hands with our brothers and sisters to the left and right of us and refuse to accept it or we can give in and play the game which will serve to perpetuate the whole scheme.

    Angela Davis, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Andrea Smith, Kuahani K. Trask, J. Kehaulani Kauanui, Gandhi, Nelson Madella -N- His Wife, and thousands of brave people all over have struggled hand in hand to remedy these problems. The force we are up against is wrong, but simply saying so will not help the problems. Awareness is the beginning of action and that is why we should speak out against racism. It feels hopeless at times, but keep your head up!

    I am from Louisiana and have felt the sting of racism first hand. I grew up
    in New Orleans as Trailer Park trash until my mother got too poor to live there. That is when we moved into the Olive Grove projects and then the Desire projects and then I moved to Abbeville Louisiana. These are the ploaces where I watched people being forgotten by society and left to eat each other. It was an experience that has shaped my mind and my heart. I look at people of all colors and wish they could experience the same thing with the same mind. I have been stabbed by a person who I considered a friend because he was with his cousin and they wanted my jacket. I had my headphones stolen by my football teammate because he did not want to be thought of as soft in front of his other friends. It is interesting that even though I grew up in close proximity to the black community and I have developed similar habits, speech, patterns of conspicuous consumption, street credit, and especially street smarts affiliated with living in such a city as New Orleans, I am still seen as better by White America. I clean up nice. I can succeed easily. I can smile with my White face and gain instant access to a world of privilege not available to the people of color.

    The more I think about it I believe it is shifting from a race thing to being a class thing. On the Macro level it is a race thing in the communities, but when you view it broadly it starts to look like a class thing. Rich people do not care where the money is coming from. If we eliminate much of the poverty in the United States then we will eliminate much of the racism. The prison system should also be abolished at it exists today in America. Also the American military machine should be disabled. The American prison system is a racially biased system that is serving to perpetuate the system of poverty and racial discrimination in America and all over the world. The military machine gives us so much power that we can maintain such a racist system of governance through strong arming our own poeple and the other people of the world. Credibility is earned and not taken. Do not buy the lies they feed you. The American constitution is not being followed. I am with John on this one. It is a sad story. It takes some serious nerve and heart to go head to head with the Devils. The evil is not in their skin color, for it is in their minds and hearts. We want to change the hearts and minds of Iraq, but we should probably try to change the hearts and minds of our own citizens in order to fix our own social ills.

    I believe in America and I believe In our people. Racism is not a true American institution. Pri
  • TonyDice
    TonyDice wrote:
    How about, let's stop talking about black, white and Chinese?

    either you're a good person, or just another prick in my book. there are plenty of both, in every race.

    racist abuse and black power chat on these threads won't solve anything. Peace in the New Year, brothers and sisters



  • John
    John wrote:
    I state things the way I do for emphasis. I get everything out there and keep it moving. There's no use for sugarcoating anything. I think few of us on this site actually knows how things really are except me and Kodi but that's cool.

    @No.1Passion

    You thought I was upset? Oops!

    @TonyDice

    Sharing ideas or showing others how people with a particular background REALLY feel is sometimes enough. What others may think about you is not that important.
  • TonyDice
    TonyDice wrote:
    Depends what you're trying to achieve, John.
  • John
    John wrote:
    And what are you implying Tony?
  • John
    John wrote:
    Please make my life easier. I'm busy with more things than just this site.
  • Kodi
    Kodi wrote:
    You know I have noticed that many people from the United States and from many other countries in the West are usually of a certain class, so unless they are people of color from the U.S. they may not understand what you are talking about. Many people are compelled to throw out a common misinformed comment like, "You cannot still be angry because of what happened in U.S. history and that today it is different and it has nothing to do with whats going on today in the U.S." They do not see the underlying structural implications that keep society blind to reality.

    What can some solutions to the social problems in the U.S. be?
  • John
    John wrote:
    Thank you Kodi. It's like me trying to shut a Chinese person up about 9.18. Useless.

    I have some ideas. Pretty simple though. Can you access facebook or youtube now?
  • №❶ Passioη
    @ John - You're straight. If you read my post down I was referring to black people generally not having good temper control enough to ignore little things. I have a deep understanding of how things are; and respect your expression... I've lived in many countries and although I found the secret of not being a direct victim of racism, I hate to see others suffer, and I hate to see things generalised on race or nationality. So I had put up my little fight in places like Malaysia and the UK...

    I understand it's even more painful to be from the US and have to live in one's home country with discrimination but if you saw the intensity of racism and snobbishness in other countries, you'd know the US version is comparatively fair. Imagine southern dark skin Indians in Malaysia who are second-class citizens of their own country. They do not even have the right to join the ruling party and they're openly discriminated when it comes to job application and everything else. Imagine in China, if you were NOT holding a US passport how you would be treated (if you were holding an african passport for example), you would not be able to renew your china visa - because you're a black person from Africa, not because you've done anything wrong. Look at the brighter side - when you're outside US, you're treated by nationality and with a lot of respect etc...

    @ Kobi - The solution I often propose may sound insane to you but it is the most effective biological / natural solution possible. The way to clear up this mess is mixed marriages... But again, it's only racism itself that could hinder the solution to it + there is already too much freedom that the solution may be seen as an infringement on human rights. This solution would be very possible if the US system was like that of China - well controlled.

    US could restrict like-race marriages if they ever would. Black marry white, white marry black...else their marriage certs would not be endorsed by any judge. Then the next generations would have no choice but not see each other as the same kind of humans, a better sense of belonging wherever they went. Just a thought... Every other solution will only be hidden in the shadows and will not fully assure the effectiveness of fairness and equality...

    For now, let's look at the bright sides and what we can actually do shall we?

    Starting from Kodi - The expression "People of Colour" as in your context is exactly how the white man wants you to refer to yourself and other non-Caucasians. It's better not to dance to the tune if you're really against inequality. And if you want to analyse how unsuitable the expression is, see this joke I received hehe:

    Letter from the black to the white

    Dear white, something you got to know
    When I was born, I was black.
    When I grow up, I am black.
    When I'm under the sun, I'm black.
    When I'm cold, I'm black.
    When I'm afraid, I'm black.
    When I'm sick, I'm black.
    When I die, I'm still black.

    BUT You---white people,

    When you were born, you were pink.
    When you grow up, you become white.
    You're red under the sun.
    You're blue when you're cold.
    You are yellow when you're afraid.
    You're green when you're sick.
    You're gray when you die.
    And you call refer to me as "People of colour"?


    Good Luck ;)
  • John
    John wrote:
    @No.1Passion

    "Look at the brighter side - when you're outside US, you're treated by nationality and with a lot of respect etc... "

    Umm........no.
  • John
    John wrote:
    I don't have any interest in being a victim but I do have to state things for what they are. I don't think there's any use in comparing one's "sufferring" to another's but the facts are the facts. Ya dig?
  • John
    John wrote:
    FUCK YOU

    You just won't get it. It's like me telling a Chinese person to get over their great grandmothers getting gang raped or poisoned. There are certain things you can't argue. Period.
  • №❶ Passioη
    "I, John, do solemnly swear that in posting this comment I promise to be nice."

    + Agree & Post

    I don't get why you seem angry - apart from ignorant efforts to confirm you're not excluded from my earlier comment that blacks are generally bad at temper management. - and fight for little worthless things just like you're starting now :P

    So what do you want to do about your past John? how do you want to turn the tables? take some white guys and chain them up as slaves? does that get you even? or is it just cursing people and swearing on forums that gets you feeling you've achieved a good fight against racism?

    Get smart boy, those who do the real fights do it out there against the governments responsible - If you wanna make yourself more useful on this issue, you can join them...

    Let me remind you the forum topic is still about some bunch of over-aged girls who didn't get married... Look how far off the topic you've come :P

    Nice Day
  • Mathew Abisai
    Mathew Abisai wrote:
    guys CHILLOUT
  • wrote:
    the forum topic is still about some bunch of over-aged girls who didn't get married...
    ====================
    That 's true and it is a serious social problem in Beijing as some experts said, those over-aged girls pushed the housing price high! haha
  • John
    John wrote:
    It doesn't matter what you say, you're still full of shit and you know it. And I still don't give a shit about what anyone thinks of me. I stand by everything I have written.
  • Mathew Abisai
    Mathew Abisai wrote:
    John....Be careful
  • Kate
    Kate wrote:
    Wow, those over aged women who did not get married yet are causing so SERIOUS social problem for Sun. LOL.
  • wrote:
    kate:
    haha, yes, they cause serious problem for me.
    It was not said by me, but by some experts, haha
    interesting piont of view, but make a little sense.
  • Pete DeMola
    Pete DeMola wrote:
    JOHN
    Maybe you should write a column for us. I like the way you think. Send me a PM if you're interested.
  • Kate
    Kate wrote:
    Sun, I am glad to know there is at least one Feminist guy in this forum, if not sexist.
    Marriage is not everything, if women feel financially and emotionally secure for herself, what is the point rushing to marry? Gladly, modern women has same freedom as men always had.
    My point is: Women does not have to marry if she wish so.

  • wrote:
    You are right that My point is: Women does not have to marry if she wish so.
    But it is a little different situation in China, if you know well about the situation in China, you will fell that Feminist or feminism in China is a bit derogatory term.

    You mean 'if women feel financially and emotionally secure for herself, what is the point rushing to marry', but the situation in Beijing more likes that ’Just as I said, the so-called value or meaning of life for most women in Beijing is to marry a man with a big house, an expensive car, a lot of money, but what's more, the man's parents should be dead!’ and those woman asked more than they deserve, if so, do you think they have the same recognition of feminism as you? Of course not. It is just my personal view, haha
  • wrote:
    Kate:
    I do not know whether you understand Chinese.
    I think DaFan explain the so-called feminism in China very well:
    Da Fan wrote:
    Posted 3 hours ago
    我只知道在中国的部分姑娘眼中现代女权主义就是享受权利时女性优先,履行义务时男人要有绅士精神,哈哈。当然了,结果就是表面上女性地位提升了,但实质上在第二性的道路上越走越深:D
  • Kate
    Kate wrote:
    There is nothing wrong with marrying a guy with a big house, expensive car and a lot of savings as long as guy really wanted her. About the Feminism, I do not wanna argue about any "ism".
  • wrote:
    It is not a problem of right or wrong, if some woman can marry Bill Gates, why don't she marry him? 'as long as guy really wanted her', I do not think a guy has the duty to satisfy all greedy demand of a woman. You talked about feminism and talked that 'Women does not have to marry if she wish so' and 'if women feel financially and emotionally secure for herself, what is the point rushing to marry', do you think you have any logic with your talk? What you said can apply to man too. No one owes others. By the way, there is nothing wrong with man to marry a beautiful woman just like you said that there is nothing wrong with marrying a guy with a big house, expensive car and a lot of savings.
    If there is nothing wrong, it is unnecessary to talk about this topic any more.
  • Roki
    Roki wrote:
    haha chris rock is a funny guy ,, i like him !!!
  • Kate
    Kate wrote:
    Who said women can marry with rich and men cannot marry with fine lady. What is your problem if woman prefers to marry with rich man over poor guy. You do not have to justify other people's wishes. You know your own culture, so be prepared for your ONLY woman, if not, stay single and angry?
  • Jonas Ervik
    Jonas Ervik wrote:
    hahah he is fucking good this chris rock
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    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDczODczMjg=.html
  • wrote:
    Sorry, I have no problems with anyone including you.
    I just remind you to respect others and do not think 'you are right'.
    It is easy to understand that different people has different view.
    I just wonder why someone wants to let others accept her position.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
    ...

    Hahahaha ... Sun ... never thought you could be funny ...

    You said ... I just remind you to respect others and do not think 'you are right' ...

    So guessing that you must think you are right, so, would that contradict what you said?

    Anyway, I see nothing wrong about "thinking being right", more importantly is when one accepts that he/she is wrong ...
  • Marlene Sannes
    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDczODczMjg=.html
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    nice , chris rock i love you and i love your people .. always happiness for sure !!
  • wrote:
    People can talk about their views, but do not be personal.
    Kate said; You know your own culture, so be prepared for your ONLY woman, if not, stay single and angry?
    I do not like her position on these words.
    That's why said I just remind you to respect others and do not think 'you are right'
    I never said my views are right, but I will not be personal when I argue with anyone in this forum.
  • Kate
    Kate wrote:
    I did not say that word, I am right
  • wrote:
    I will not talk about this topic any more because it is uninteresting.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... Sun, I will need some time to go through your comments in other discussion and then get back to you on that one, ok?
  • wrote:
    You do not need to do so.
    It is an uninteresting topic and I am tired of any gender topics.
    I think you can have more interesting topics for us.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
    ...

    Hahaha ... since you said so, I will do something else more interesting, i.e. recover my hard drive ...

    Havent you heard that "sex sells"? Or rather, "controversy sells" ... and on this typical site, sex and race are considered controversial ...

    Hahahaha ... thanks for the compliment, or if that was not a compliment, then you should really consider doing a stand-up one day, you are getting funnier and funnier ... the topics that I wrote are usually boring, as they are not "controversial" enough, ... do you want a list?
  • wrote:
    I found an interesting nonsense topic, I will start a new thread in the discussion column of nonsense.
  • 叮噹叔叔 (令狐叮噹)
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    Hahahaha ... look forward to it ... and I think we have side-tracked a little bit too far ...

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